Where is Peter Ralston wrong?

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Breakingthewall Questioning is good, but you are out of line.

Once you said: all human spirituality is bullshit. Well, maybe not all, just 95%, and Ralston is in. He is limited, and Id say that you agree . I'm not questioning, I'm pointing something obvious that I'm sure you also agree: reality is unlimited.

We all agree on this, right? So, if a limitation is detected, it's legitimate to expose it. In almost all spirituality, there are subtle limitations; it's normal; it's how the mind works. We must constantly refine it until the conceptual framework is no longer closed from any angle.

 

2 minutes ago, AION said:

And you call him arrogant 😭

 

I'm not so arrogant, just natural deep perception 😂

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, AION said:

You are clearly angry about something and you don’t know why.

That's just your projection because I'm talking against an ontology that you like

3 minutes ago, AION said:

Talking about lobotomy (of emotions).

Lobotomy of real deep perception. 

4 minutes ago, AION said:

That is why you don’t resonate with Ralston. Because it is emotionally hard work and ego crushing. 

Another projection without any foundation. I disagree with Ralston because he's limited. I explained very clear 

[Wilhelm44]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I criticize him because he's limited and absolutely certain he's "enlightened." He drags many people into his closed ontology, which leads to flat EEG, anesthesia, and lobotomy. In my opinion, he's a particularly foolish guy with a gigantic self-concept, a typical spiritual narcissist who, because he's very superficial, believes that by simplifying everything and subtly ridiculing the deepest perceptions, he's on top.

First, his idea that reality is consciousness. So, what is consciousness? Consciousness! Tadah!!! Ah, consciousness of something? No! "Something" is a dream of consciousness!! Tadah!!! But then, is consciousness an entity that dreams things? Friend, those questions come from the conditioned mind. Let them fall and you're already enlightened. Tadah. All of this is totally false, totally limited, and has an enormously low level of understanding.is just be lobotomized to avoid the complexity or reality and can handle it from a limited state and then believing that you are on top, "enlightened"

 

Have you been to one of his courses ? I dont think he gives that much away on his youtube channel.

[Princess Arabia]

I'm with @Breakingthewallon this one.

@AIONYou can't ask for people's genuine opinions and criticisms of Ralston then turn around and criticize them for doing so and by calling them angry and judging why they're criticizing Ralston. Seems like you're judging the judgers after asking to judge. Criticizing the crticizers after asking for criticisms. Speaking on their points and disagreeing with what they have to say is one thing, but attacking them for responding to your post is another. Just saying.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Have you been to one of his courses ? I dont think he gives that much away on his youtube channel.

No never, but watching some videos I could see that he's limited, He uses the dichotomy between truth and dream. For him, truth is realizing this experience beyond the mind and realizing that this experience is pure consciousness. That's not outside the mind, although he thinks it is, it's another dimension of the mind, another structure, like anything that you will perceive because the mind is a manifestation of the reality. He says the mind is a form of consciousness, but a "dumb" form, and that if you transcend the mind, you reach "truth," which is not conceptualizable. Let's see, it's obvious that any concept is a concept and not the thing it describes. In enlightenment and in anything, a concept is a mental structure. But he doesn't even remotely realize what mental structures are, they are a manifestation of the reality, exactly the same than the "things", just in another level between infinite possible levels

He simplifies everything, He talks about reaching a meditative state without logical structure, in which everything is revealed as consciousness. This is limited; he's staring at a wall of consciousness, trapped in the frame of experience. 

Ultimate reality is absolute openness, limitlessness, totality, if you will. It's not something like consciousness; it's the absence of limits manifesting in absolute being. This goes beyond mental silence. Silence and the logical mind are exactly the same. They are manifestations of unlimited potential. Nothing is truth and lie, nor dream and reality. Everything is potential manifesting, and what you ultimately are is total potential because you are unfathomable. There is no "enlightenment experience," in the sense of peak experience of recognition of yourself as consciousness. Openness is in another dimension; it is the unfathomable depth that is in all moments that's perceived when the limits fall. is stepping out of the longitudinal movement of experience and expanding into the limitlessness that always is, and realizing that you are. You are total being, limitlessness itself, it's you, you could say it's in your heart, is the total depth. Consciousness and unconsciousness are the same. What appears is possibility occurring, and its nature is the relationship of infinite being to itself in all directions. Reality exists because it is limitless, and everything is limitless and infinitely alive, it's the same a thought than a thing in it's level of reality, are different in it's dimension.

In those videos I see just limits . For example I think that sufis or tao te Quin point to the unlimited nature of reality, but Ralston is trapped in a limited point claiming that he's enlightened . Many are going to be  frustrated imo

 

Edited July 1 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm with @Breakingthewallon this one.

@AIONYou can't ask for people's genuine opinions and criticisms of Ralston then turn around and criticize them for doing so and by calling them angry and judging why they're criticizing Ralston. Seems like you're judging the judgers after asking to judge. Criticizing the crticizers after asking for criticisms. Speaking on their points and disagreeing with what they have to say is one thing, but attacking them for responding to your post is another. Just saying.

Yeah, this is a thread to talk about Ralston right? I'm talking about Ralston, and the op and others are saying: Ralston is great, is like yoda, it's the best, without any analysis. Or you are wrong, you don't know nothing, without explaining. Emotional perspective. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah, this is a thread to talk about Ralston right? I'm talking about Ralston, and the op and others are saying: Ralston is great, is like yoda, it's the best, without any analysis. Or you are wrong, you don't know nothing, without explaining. Emotional perspective. 

I don't see the big deal about him but that's just me and i also hate his silly grin and his dirty off colored white t-shirt. 😅😅

[Wilhelm44]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No never, but watching some videos I could see that he's limited, He uses the dichotomy between truth and dream. For him, truth is realizing this experience beyond the mind and realizing that this experience is pure consciousness. That's not outside the mind, although he thinks it is. He says the mind is a form of consciousness, but a "dumb" form, and that if you transcend the mind, you reach "truth," which is not conceptualizable. Let's see, it's obvious that any concept is a concept and not the thing it describes. In enlightenment and in anything, a concept is a mental structure. But he doesn't even remotely realize what mental structures are, they are a manifestation of the reality, exactly the same than the "things", just in another level between infinite possible levels

He simplifies everything, He talks about reaching a meditative state without logical structure, in which everything is revealed as consciousness. This is limited; he's staring at a wall of consciousness, trapped in the frame of experience. 

Ultimate reality is absolute openness, limitlessness, totality, if you will. It's not something like consciousness; it's the absence of limits manifesting in absolute being. This goes beyond mental silence. Silence and the logical mind are exactly the same. They are manifestations of unlimited potential. Nothing is truth and lie, nor dream and reality. Everything is potential manifesting, and what you ultimately are is total potential because you are unfathomable. There is no "enlightenment experience," in the sense of peak experience of recognition of yourself as consciousness. Openness is in another dimension; it is the unfathomable depth that is in all moments that's perceived when the limits fall. is stepping out of the longitudinal movement of experience and expanding into the limitlessness that always is, and realizing that you are. You are total being, limitlessness itself, it's you, you could say, it's in your heart, is the total depth. Consciousness and unconsciousness are the same. What appears is possibility occurring, and its nature is the relationship of infinite being to itself in all directions. Reality exists because it is limitless, and everything is limitless and infinitely alive, it's the same a thought than a thing in it's level of reality, are different in it's dimension.

In those videos I see just limits . For example I think that sufis or tao te Quin point to the unlimited nature of reality, but Ralston is trapped in a limited point claiming that he's enlightened . Many are going to be  frustrated imo

 

I dont understand what you are saying. Consciousness is infinite mind, how is that limited ?

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't see the big deal about him but that's just me and i also hate his silly grin and his dirty off colored white t-shirt. 😅😅

Deep analysis, indeed, his smile says a lot. It says: I'm smarter than you, you poor fool. You're so foolish that you make me smile, like a foolish child trying something beyond their capabilities. You inspire pity in me, and that makes me smile, and well, maybe you inspire a .....little bit of subtle disgust in me too ,but from the love and respect, of course 🤣🤣

Edited July 1 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I dont understand what you are saying. Consciousness is infinite mind, how is that limited ?

Conciousness means perception. How perception is causing that elephants exist?

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Deep analysis, indeed, his smile says a lot. It says: I'm smarter than you, you poor fool. You're so foolish that you make me smile, like a foolish child trying something beyond their capabilities. You inspire pity in me, and that makes me smile, and well, maybe you inspire a .....little bit of subtle disgust in me too 🤣🤣 but from the love and respect, of course 

Who is he teaching if he's so enlightened. He should know there's no one to teach from that position. He speaks to and from the egoic mind.

[Wilhelm44]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Conciousness means perception. How perception is causing that elephants exist?

Yes, everything is made of consciousness/awareness. I still dont see where the limitation part comes in. Could you explain briefly please ?

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yes, everything is made of consciousness/awareness. I still dont see where the limitation part comes in. Could you explain briefly please ?

What is conciousness exactly? When Ralston says "level of consciousness", what he means? Level of what you are conscious of. So there's a subject, you, who are conscious, and you can be conscious at a superficial or deeper level.

Therefore, there's an object to delve into. Let's follow that this object is reality. So you, who are consciousness, are conscious at different levels of reality, which in turn is consciousness. And if you operate in the ego mind, you, consciousness, are unconscious of consciousness. Well, I don't know...

[Wilhelm44]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What is conciousness exactly? When Ralston says "level of consciousness", what he means? Level of what you are conscious of. So there's a subject, you, who are conscious, and you can be conscious at a superficial or deeper level.

Therefore, there's an object to delve into. Let's follow that this object is reality. So you, who are consciousness, are conscious at different levels of reality, which in turn is consciousness. And if you operate in the ego mind, you, consciousness, are unconscious of consciousness. Well, I don't know...

If you want to get a clearer understanding of his work, it might be better to read one of his books than to watch his youtube channel. I think his latest book is called Ending unneccessary suffering.

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

If you want to get a clearer understanding of his work, it might be better to read one of his books than to watch his youtube channel. I think his latest book is called Ending unneccessary suffering.

He can't explain why awareness is the source of forms, it has no sense, then Im not motivated for reading his book. If I see some incongruence I can't read more, then I probably will finish at page 1. But you could explain it if you want 

Edited July 1 by Breakingthewall

[Wilhelm44]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

He can't explain why awareness is the source of forms, it has no sense, then Im not motivated for reading his book. If I see some incongruence I can't read more, then I probably will finish at page 1. But you could explain it if you want 

So you want Ralston to explain in words how Consciousness creates the world ?

[Javfly33]

52 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Who is he teaching if he's so enlightened. He should know there's no one to teach from that position. He speaks to and from the egoic mind.

So if you are enlightened if a kid is being bitten by a Rottweiler you shouldn't do anything because you are conscious the kid is a duality or whatever? 🤣

 

@Terell Kirby I guess it depends on what you mean by consciousness. The feeling of being conscious? Reality? There are different things. Because when you go to sleep the feeling of being conscious is not there. 

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

So you want Ralston to explain in words how Consciousness creates the world ?

Yes, would be good. Or anyone who knows Ralston ontology 

[AION]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm with @Breakingthewallon this one.

@AIONYou can't ask for people's genuine opinions and criticisms of Ralston then turn around and criticize them for doing so and by calling them angry and judging why they're criticizing Ralston. Seems like you're judging the judgers after asking to judge. Criticizing the crticizers after asking for criticisms. Speaking on their points and disagreeing with what they have to say is one thing, but attacking them for responding to your post is another. Just saying.

He wasn’t coming with arguments against Ralston in the first place so I had to choice to pound into him. If he comes with arguments against Ralston I’m happy to address it. 

Edited July 1 by AION

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

In my opinion, he's a particularly foolish guy with a gigantic self-concept, a typical spiritual narcissist who, because he's very superficial, believes that by simplifying everything and subtly ridiculing the deepest perceptions, he's on top.

Is there one spiritual teacher you're not paranoid about?