Review Ending unnecessary Suffering by Peter Ralston

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Breakingthewall is the notion of “bad “ or “wrong “ or “evil” subjective or objective ? Relative or absolute ?

Relative. From an absolute perspective what is, is. Everything is perfect because being is everything. But from an evolutive perspective good and bad are totally defined. And a human is an evolutive being that wants the good and avoid the bad 

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You can’t say reality is intelligent  but it doesn’t plan anything out in the same breath.

 

Intellgence is a statistical result. Among infinite possible relationships, the most coherent ones endure and create complex patterns.

The same is true of the catalysis of these patterns, which leads to replicating evolutionary systems, and that is equivalent to will. Will is focused chance. Intelligence is selection of coherence by the fact of being coherent 

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[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

 And a human is an evolutive being that wants the good and avoid the bad 

That definition doesn’t seem to hold in all cases. There are clear counterexamples where people knowingly pursue what harms them rather than what is good for them. For example someone struggling with addiction may continue using a substance despite understanding its destructive effects. A person who self harms may intentionally inflict pain on himself like suicidal people  and  a masochist derives satisfaction from experiencing pain .

 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

That definition doesn’t seem to hold in all cases. There are clear counterexamples where people knowingly pursue what harms them rather than what is good for them. For example someone struggling with addiction may continue using a substance despite understanding its destructive effects. A person who self harms may intentionally inflict pain on himself like suicidal people  and  a masochist derives satisfaction from experiencing pain .

 

Yes and some are autistic and if you torture his son in front of them they won't feel anything but they will scream if you ring a bell, then that is how that system works. 

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[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

Intellgence is a statistical result. Among infinite possible relationships, the most coherent ones endure and create complex patterns.

The same is true of the catalysis of these patterns, which leads to replicating evolutionary systems, and that is equivalent to will. Will is focused chance. Intelligence is selection of coherence by the fact of being coherent 

I don’t understand. I tried tho. 

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes and some are autistic and if you torture his son in front of them they won't feel anything but they will scream if you ring a bell, then that is how that system works. 

To me there is no openness from your side to genuinely understand these perspective. You’re coming off as a debunker. I  hope I’m wrong here . We can agree to disagree . 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I don’t understand. I tried tho. 

Imagine an infinite flow of possibilities, of relative changes of state, in which one state is sustained by contrast with its opposite. Nothing is defined except in relation to another contrasting state.

In this flow, only what organizes itself into coherent patterns endures, remains stable, because what does not disappear instantly, doesn't even appear, doesn't exist. To be manifested existence implies relationship.

Then, this unlimited flow of potential possibilities will automatically self-organize into patterns of absolute complexity and synchronicity, without option B. That is absolute intelligence.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

To me there is no openness from your side to genuinely understand these perspective. You’re coming off as a debunker. I  hope I’m wrong here . We can agree to disagree . 

Well let's see if anyone can explain what is unnecessary suffering according Ralston 

[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall is suffering funny though?

[James123]

@Someone here @Breakingthewall imagine the wind,

If you hate wind, when wind happens, you say oh fuck, I hate wind, I can't take it. That's suffering. 

After realization, wind hits the body, you still feel, yet passes by. That's pain. 

Same goes for every situation. 

There is not a me like a rock in the body. 

There is a me, only Be, sensation arises and falls, therefore detaching is inevitable. There is a wind. As pain. 

Body is empty, because You / Nothing in it.

Edit: and as soon as you tried to understand or evaluate or imagine what I am saying, that's the mind.

You have to let the body take over the control. And step aside.

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[Joseph Maynor]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well let's see if anyone can explain what is unnecessary suffering according Ralston 

Why is this necessary?  

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Why is this necessary?  

Because suffering impulse survival and evolution in complex alive beings. Makes you move far from it. For example inventing vaccines to don't get painful diseases that kills you and all your family 

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[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

you hate wind, when wind happens, you say oh fuck, I hate wind, I can't take it. That's suffering. 

After realization, wind hits the body, you still feel, yet passes by. That's pain. 

Same goes for every situation. 

There is not a me like a rock in the body. 

There is a me, only Be, sensation arises and falls, therefore detaching is inevitable. There is a wind. As pain. 

Body is empty, because You / Nothing in it.

If instead of the wind they blow on you with a blowtorch, then you'll see where the self is.

It will be very obvious; the absolute desire to get away from the blowtorch will be the self. Where is it? you might ask. Everywhere; there is only that desire. 

Without self if wouldn't be differentiation, without minimum differentiation if wouldn't be experience. The self is the software that reality creates that perceive those differences. It's as illusory as the feeling of the flame of the blowtorch in your face. 

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[AION]

The bottom line of the book is that dissolving the self dissolves our suffering. He is very clear in this. 

[Breakingthewall]

25 minutes ago, AION said:

The bottom line of the book is that dissolving the self dissolves our suffering. He is very clear in this. 

Than that's the Buddhist paradigm . Life is dukka, because you are identified with an illusion, then you stop that identification and you are enlightened in nirvana and suffering disappear. 

The problem with this idea is that the self is real and you are not identified with it, you are it, an expression of reality in the form of a self. You dont suffer by a mistake of identification, you suffer by biological imperative. 

Buddha says: detach yourself from the illusion and you will be enlightened. In my so humble opinion, mistake. The real deal would be: open yourself to the absolute, then the self, that's real, will recalibrate itself seeing itself as real but relative. You will still suffering, but relatively, always with a backstage of the openess to the absolute fact of being that is total and it's what you ultimately are

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[James123]

37 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If instead of the wind they blow on you with a blowtorch, then you'll see where the self is.

It will be very obvious; the absolute desire to get away from the blowtorch will be the self. Where is it? you might ask. Everywhere; there is only that desire. 

Without self if wouldn't be differentiation, without minimum differentiation if wouldn't be experience. The self is the software that reality creates that perceive those differences. It's as illusory as the feeling of the flame of the blowtorch in your face. 

Leave the mind and body alone. And try to desire something 😂 😂 😂