Review Ending unnecessary Suffering by Peter Ralston

[Mellowmarsh]

29 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

@Mellowmarsh You are getting unnecessarily philosophical.

It comes down to this: if you don’t have the right genes, you wouldn’t be a human being. And if you don’t have the right genes, you will never be nearly as conscious as Peter, no matter how much you try.

So do you think humans are capable of higher consciousness then?

What about the genes that made Einstein who figured out the nuclear bomb, and the genius of every authoritarian human who is responsible for governing the minions. Who have collectively agreed to booby trapped their own planetary home, our Mother Earth who sustains us, with radiation of such a massive quantity now that it has the potential to kill every biological creature on the planet. Do you mean that higher gene?

[James123]

18 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

So do you think humans are capable of higher consciousness then?

What about the genes that made Einstein who figured out the nuclear bomb, and the genius of every authoritarian human who is responsible for governing the minions. Who have collectively agreed to booby trapped their own planetary home, our Mother Earth who sustains us, with radiation of such a massive quantity now that it has the potential to kill every biological creature on the planet. Do you mean that higher gene?

I am not bold, don't have high genes, don't wear Buddhist clothes, use internet and phone, enlightenment is impossible for me 😂 

[Mellowmarsh]

@James123 😂 

[Mellowmarsh]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

am not bold, don't have high genes,

Hygiene of a sewer rat. 😂 

[James123]

13 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Hygiene of a sewer rat. 😂 

😂 Dirty minds, pure hearts. 

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Spiritual people suffer more, not less.

Because they have to face more truth.

A regular person can just go get drunk. A spiritual person can't.

They suffer more because their spirituality is false, they are in a mental mess thinking that the power of now is the truth and that you shouldn't suffer because a zebra doesn't suffer thinking about the future, while they are totally closed to the reality that they are. 

If you are open to the actual reality that is, every moment feels alive and full, there are no regrets because you act straight by default, relationship are clean without friction because freedom and truth are natural for you, and lie and submission are impossible, and death is seen as the open heart of reality where you are going to dissolve to be one with it. 

The point is not avoiding suffering, it's being worthy. You are not a bitch that want confort and anesthesia, you are the living reality manifested in a form full of potential and what you want is developing it as much as it's possible, give your best, be one with what is. 

[OBEler]

@Breakingthewall "If you are open to the actual reality that is, every moment feels alive and full, there are no regrets because you act straight by default, relationship are clean without friction because freedom and truth are natural for you, and lie and submission are impossible, and death is seen as the open heart of reality where you are going to dissolve to be one with it. "

So how does that look like on a mundane day?

[Joseph Maynor]

51 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

They suffer more because their spirituality is false,.

To think you need to suffer a lot in spirituality to me seems like a red flag.

[AION]

Ralston’s shit goes very deep into the anals of consciousness.  The only way for me to get it is to upload it on Claude and contemplating it with AI like one would contemplate it if he was your private teacher. Just consuming a book or doing the exercises won’t cut it because most people will make epistemic mistakes while interpreting his writings. If you can synthesize Ralston with Wilber in your own mind you will reach insane insight and understanding. Wilber still beats Ralston though in terms of framework. 

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, AION said:

Ralston’s shit goes very deep into the anals of consciousness.  The only way for me to get it is to upload it on Claude and contemplating it with AI like one would contemplate it if he was your private teacher. Just consuming a book or doing the exercises won’t cut it because most people will make epistemic mistakes while interpreting his writings. If you can synthesize Ralston with Wilber in your own mind you will reach insane insight and understanding. Wilber still beats Ralston though in terms of framework. 

How did Ralston and Wilber help you with your spirituality?

[vibv]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

They suffer more because their spirituality is false, they are in a mental mess thinking that the power of now is the truth and that you shouldn't suffer because a zebra doesn't suffer thinking about the future, while they are totally closed to the reality that they are. 

If you are open to the actual reality that is, every moment feels alive and full, there are no regrets because you act straight by default, relationship are clean without friction because freedom and truth are natural for you, and lie and submission are impossible, and death is seen as the open heart of reality where you are going to dissolve to be one with it. 

The point is not avoiding suffering, it's being worthy. You are not a bitch that want confort and anesthesia, you are the living reality manifested in a form full of potential and what you want is developing it as much as it's possible, give your best, be one with what is. 

Wait till you remember that everyone who ever suffered was yourself, and then re-connect with every single lost soul, knowing that it was you all along.

You don't have to recreate the pain, because it already happened. You'll just remember very clearly, that it was YOU who experienced that. And that can be pretty difficult in some cases.

Edited 2 hours ago by vibv

[OBEler]

@AION Which wilber book would help the best to penetrate better through peter ralstons unneccessary suffering book?

 

I hope my suffering counts as unneccessary in peter ralstons eyes and I can sleep well again.

Edited 1 hour ago by OBEler

[vibv]

9 minutes ago, OBEler said:

I hope my suffering counts as unneccessary in peter ralstons eyes and I can sleep well again.

Your suffering is unneccessary as soon as you no longer want it. This could even be true while you perceive the opposite: Of course you don't want it, right!?

It means a higher part of your being has decided for your best Love & Growth.

Maybe there is something you didn't see yet. Or it is a part of you that you don't want to accept of yourself. Or it could just be physical trouble to give you more weight to carry for the Good of All, because you deliberately chose it, even if it may not be obvious to you right now.

And how is it for the Good of All? —Because you have the ability to see through it and solve - whatever it is that's behind it in the transpersonal psyche - it for the rest of Creation, too.

Every situation you ever find yourself in is carefully chosen by you out of utmost Love and giving you the perfect chance to grow. And your growth is part of our all growth.

And Growth is reconnection with yourself—which is ultimately LOVE.

Edited 1 hour ago by vibv

[OBEler]

@vibv @vibv You frame it really in a romantic spiritual way. It destroys me.

Its like addiction. There is no good goal behind it other than suffering. You can say the same to a person suffering from cancer.

Edited 1 hour ago by OBEler

[vibv]

1 minute ago, OBEler said:

@vibv @vibv You frame it really in a romantic spiritual way. It destroys me.

Its like addiction. There is no good goal behind it other than suffering. You can say the same to a person suffering from cancer.

I don't know why you chose to experience it, I just say you did on some level that you're not aware yet. Including the experience of cursing at your destiny.

Your experience is incredibly valuable. None of it will go to waste, I Promise.

[OBEler]

14 minutes ago, vibv said:

Your experience is incredibly valuable. None of it will go to waste, I Promise.

Can you say the same to someone who gets disabled by cancer?

[vibv]

9 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Can you say the same to someone who gets disabled by cancer?

Yes.

Though I might be wording it differently.

Edited 1 hour ago by vibv