Is is worth it to join a conservative group?

[Recursoinominado]

I have this intuition that i need to network with some stage blue/orange people. Right now, I find myself living without structure (no routine, no rules, zero discipline), ungrounded, and I am suffering because of this. 

I am a stage yellow thinker, mostly leftist, but I lack a good blue/orange foundation, which has made my life miserable. I live by myself, and I don't have good influences close enough to learn from. It is a well-known principle in self-development that your environment molds you and so I keep thinking about how to be in a healthy/wealthy environment with people that are successful and have their shit together. 

I can see the benefits of joining religion/military, aside from all the self-deception and limitations (lower stage thinking), the healthy aspects are amazing for building a great life. The human mind suffers when there is no structure.

Maybe joining a conservative group and spending time with those people can help me achieve this new level.

Here in Brazil, we have a church called UDV (União do Vegetal or "Union of the Vegetable"), which is based on ayahuasca ceremonies, way better than a conventional church. I am thinking about joining them to do some networking, find some mentors and, of course, drink ayahuasca.

What do you guys think?

[Puer Aeternus]

Sounds like a grand adventure! I'm sure you'd learn a lot through interesting experiences, so f it why not man. If it's not for you, you're going to know pretty fast.

Just make sure you don't join a cult 

[Basman]

You could volunteer for the fire department, emergency services, the military, etc. Or joining a sports/martial arts club. Organizations with regular weekly exercises will instantly add some concrete structure to your life. 

Writing a to-do list in the morning is a powerful but soft way to structure your day. You have the important and hard tasks earlier in the day and the easier ones later. Just writing a to-do list in of itself will help structure your mind.

[LordFall]

Sure why not, I’m working a blue collar labor job right now and it’s helping ground me from my idealistic and unrealistic ideas that I’m not responsible enough to actualize yet. 

Also if you’re really stage yellow you can navigate those environments without getting super triggered like stage green people will.

[Recursoinominado]

13 hours ago, Puer Aeternus said:

Sounds like a grand adventure! I'm sure you'd learn a lot through interesting experiences, so f it why not man. If it's not for you, you're going to know pretty fast.

Just make sure you don't join a cult 

An adventure for sure lol 

The UDV its a pretty solid organization, I went to their ceremonies a few times as a guest, but, at the time, I felt it was all to "strict", I had to keep sitting down and be silent the whole session, when I went outside to the garden to take breath, someone always went to scoop me lol

They are stage blue/orange, so they are mostly conservatives with poor politics and some unhiged opinions but in relation to most of society, they seem relatively healthy, nice and put together. I remember I heard one of the highest ranks there telling me they have a few "ex-homossexuals" like it was a disease you can and should cure. That put me off, but nowadays I can deal with this kind of nonsense more easily. 

I have a close friend who was a mess, really immature and I saw him getting his shit together once he went to the UDV more frequently (found a great job, stopped drinking and smoking weed). The bad part is that he became a conservative with bad politics but that's kind of normal. 

[Deziree]

Great question buddy! I wish I had more to say about your post but I'm a bit tight on my resources right now. I have a meet with a friend. 

I agree with Lordfall. Working a blue collar job is a great way to have a structure in your life. If you lay off the stage green thing, you can quickly navigate through such environments without it being too bothersome to you. Just don't join a cult because that's a huge possibility out there especially with those structural environments usually created by cultists. 

By the way I'm contemplating this same question and post to my own life as well as I lack structure and capability to hold it all together and responsibility as well. It's tough out there and i kept switching many many jobs as they didn't suit me that good. When I was unemployed for some time, it felt terrible to feel good about life or anything at all. I even wanted to abandon spirituality and thought nothing worked. Sometimes all of this can be a cesspit that draws you in and you have to wiggle your way out of it. Try it if you must. Experiment it. Join a religious group or organization and see how that feels and fits for you. The belonging to a shared group or organization, whatever it may be, even if it's religious, can be a vital motivator to bring stability to your life and carve a way forward. I hope you enjoy it and find what you are looking for. Don't judge yourself for it and there's absolutely no harm in trying. In fact I want to be on the same path now. I'm not exactly religious but I would like to explore as much as possible whatever is out there that makes living sustainable.

[Recursoinominado]

2 hours ago, Basman said:

You could volunteer for the fire department, emergency services, the military, etc. Or joining a sports/martial arts club. Organizations with regular weekly exercises will instantly add some concrete structure to your life. 

Writing a to-do list in the morning is a powerful but soft way to structure your day. You have the important and hard tasks earlier in the day and the easier ones later. Just writing a to-do list in of itself will help structure your mind.

I am practicing Brazilian jiu-jitsu nonstop for like 20 months (4~6x a week), it is a stage red/blue/orange place full of right-wing people but we get together pretty well, I even help them with their social media and marketing. That adds structure to my days but when I am not going due to some holiday breaks or something, I really feel it.

Many of them are from the military, police force, go to church, some are even pastors lol but overall I feel that I learn a lot from them as they have this ruthless, aggressive mindset that I could use in my life to tackle some goals. 

[Recursoinominado]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

Sure why not, I’m working a blue collar labor job right now and it’s helping ground me from my idealistic and unrealistic ideas that I’m not responsible enough to actualize yet. 

That's a good plan!

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Also if you’re really stage yellow you can navigate those environments without getting super triggered like stage green people will.

Yeah, i matured a lot since I went beyond green, I can get along with lower stages and focus on their qualities. 

[saif2]

I am thinking about doing the same thing. I think you need to be careful not to become intellectually lazy after being blown away by the wisdom blue has to offer and become like a sheep. And you need to be open minded enough to receive the wisdom blue has to offer. So stay vigilant!

[Rafael Thundercat]

On 25/06/2025 at 0:43 AM, Recursoinominado said:

Here in Brazil, we have a church called UDV (União do Vegetal or "Union of the Vegetable"), which is based on ayahuasca ceremonies, way better than a conventional church. I am thinking about joining them to do some networking, find some mentors and, of course, drink ayahuasca.

Are you aware of the Corruption going on inside UDV? Make your research. There is so much happening inside aya circles. Of course lets not call all apples bad because of some corrupt, but keep one eye on Integrity. 

[Recursoinominado]

21 hours ago, saif2 said:

I am thinking about doing the same thing. I think you need to be careful not to become intellectually lazy after being blown away by the wisdom blue has to offer and become like a sheep. And you need to be open minded enough to receive the wisdom blue has to offer. So stay vigilant!

That's impossible for me to fall for that. I became an atheist at age 15, I could see blue's bullshit from miles away.

The most probable outcome is that I won't be able to relate at all. I have a big shadow against blue and orange.

20 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Are you aware of the Corruption going on inside UDV? Make your research. There is so much happening inside aya circles. Of course lets not call all apples bad because of some corrupt, but keep one eye on Integrity. 

Yes, I am aware of the corruption, it comes with the package...