How would you approach psychadelics if your mother had schizo

[Andrey]

Anyone with experience?

[Carl-Richard]

Begin with a microdose and gradually scale up. Regularly see people who can reality check you (not necessarily during a dose but in-between).

Edited Monday at 06:53 PM by Carl-Richard

[theleelajoker]

On 23.6.2025 at 8:49 PM, Carl-Richard said:

Begin with a microdose and gradually scale up. Regularly see people who can reality check you (not necessarily during a dose but in-between).

+1

And if you plan a bigger trip, have as much time as possible afterwards freely available. To process.

Edited Wednesday at 08:29 AM by theleelajoker

[Hojo]

When I did them I saw that I had/have schizophrenia. You might already have it alot of people have it way more than what we think. We just see the tail end of it. Society breeds schizophrenia. Id say a solid 70 percent of western population have it. Anyone with anxiety has schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia is believing the voice in your head is you. It can go to extreme levels or stay the same. Its like survival mode is permanently on. Whatever the ego makes up and you beleive will be your symptoms of it. Its not really something to be scared of until it starts making you do things you wouldn't normally do.

Edited 21 hours ago by Hojo

[samijiben]

31 minutes ago, Hojo said:

When I did them I saw that I had/have schizophrenia. You might already have it alot of people have it way more than what we think. We just see the tail end of it. Society breeds schizophrenia. Id say a solid 70 percent of western population have it. Anyone with anxiety has schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia is believing the voice in your head is you. It can go to extreme levels or stay the same. Its like survival mode is permanently on. Whatever the ego makes up and you beleive will be your symptoms of it. Its not really something to be scared of until it starts making you do things you wouldn't normally do.

This is a very sophisticated understanding of schizophrenia

[Hojo]

@samijiben adhd ocd anxiety depression are all schizophrenia. The tail end is when no one can talk you out of the stories you told yourself. Thats when you are mad. You become totally unreceptive to whats happening outside you. Thats when you start to think you are Jesus. I don't blame people for thinking they are Jesus. When you see God you feel like you are God's only son.

With how much I have been studying my mind I feel like I could talk someone out of schizophrenia. Its just a word game you play with yourself then get lost.

Its just society and parents and family shitting on you non stop for 20 years. You get into a state where you brain shits on you repeatedly all day non stop.

The brain will make up that everyone hates you and dosent want to see you and you hide.

People on meth get it because they stay up for days power thinking. Then you start to beleive the voice you are using to think is you and you start making up random shit and believing it.

Eventually the voice says bark like a dog and you physically bark cause you think its you.

Awakening can make you see you have it as when you awaken you see 1 cm outside your skull is absolutely void of thought and emotion. There is literally nothing happening 1cm outside your forehead ever since you have been born. The space in front of you has never had a qualia to it. Its never been scary or happy or loving or mean. That all happens behind your head away from the space in front of you.

You see a woman come into the hot tub you feel sexual from it. The space in front of you is completely void of all emotion. It feels like ...................... that includes the feelings you think the woman is having at you because she's in that space.

If you are sad your gf broke up with you and then your dad commit suicide and then your mom died and you were devastated crying in your room hating the space in front of you.

All the love you received and are grieving from your mother and father and gf never existed in the space in front of you. Its only come from the space behind you outside of the light.

Edited 19 hours ago by Hojo

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

Schizophrenia is believing the voice in your head is you. It can go to extreme levels or stay the same.

It's more like believing the voice in your head is not you, but ok...

[Hojo]

@Carl-RichardThey are reacting and talking to it that feeds it. Like imagine one night when you are a kid your parents yell at you you goin your room and scream and they beat you and you are crying that you hate life and no one loves you. You are being traumatized and tell yourself you hate yourself. That goes into the brain. The brain has a chat gpt you feed it information. Now I will show you what its like I will mark c = chat gpt of mind, p= the person thinking

 p=I am a bad person cause I did x and I should have known better and everyone hates me, I hate myself I am shit I am retarded

Next day

c = I am a bad person cause I did x and I should have known better and everyone hates me, I hate myself I am shit I am retarded

P =  I am so sad my parents and everyone hate me.

Next day

c = I am a bad person cause I did x and I should have known better and everyone hates me, I hate myself I am shit I am retarded. I am so sad my parents and everyone hate me.

p= why do I keep fucking up why am I so stupid

Next day

c= I am a bad person cause I did x and I should have known better and everyone hates me, I hate myself I am shit I am retarded. I am so sad my parents and everyone hate me. why do I keep fucking up why am I so stupid.

p= I am lazy peice of shit I dont want to talk to anyone I hate everyone they are the cause of my problems.

Next day

c= I am a bad person cause I did x and I should have known better and everyone hates me, I hate myself I am shit I am retarded. I am so sad my parents and everyone hate me. why do I keep fucking up why am I so stupid.I am lazy peice of shit I dont want to talk to anyone I hate everyone they are the cause of my problems.

p= ect ect ect to whenever they want to stop or suicide.

The schizophrenic is unconsciously feeding the mind negative thoughts or lies about reality and they believe it to be true when its not happening. They think the chat gpt is them and they are reacting to it.

Now add meth and staying up for days hyper thinking about being Jesus you lose track of where you start and the thought ends. Now you are mad. Even by reacting to one thought is the first step to losing track of yourself. When you react you are stimulating survival and it stores the thought to remind you about it again.

You can clearly see which is you by screaming in your mind.  80 to 90 to 100 percent of thoughts are not you its recycled garbage. You cannot come up with new stuff thats imagination. After a moment has happened and its registered everytime you think of what has happened its recycled chat gpt. Every addition to what happened is further from truth.

Edited 17 hours ago by Hojo

[samijiben]

3 hours ago, Hojo said:

@samijiben adhd ocd anxiety depression are all schizophrenia. The tail end is when no one can talk you out of the stories you told yourself. Thats when you are mad. You become totally unreceptive to whats happening outside you. Thats when you start to think you are Jesus. I don't blame people for thinking they are Jesus. When you see God you feel like you are God's only son.

With how much I have been studying my mind I feel like I could talk someone out of schizophrenia. Its just a word game you play with yourself then get lost.

Its just society and parents and family shitting on you non stop for 20 years. You get into a state where you brain shits on you repeatedly all day non stop.

The brain will make up that everyone hates you and dosent want to see you and you hide.

People on meth get it because they stay up for days power thinking. Then you start to beleive the voice you are using to think is you and you start making up random shit and believing it.

Eventually the voice says bark like a dog and you physically bark cause you think its you.

Awakening can make you see you have it as when you awaken you see 1 cm outside your skull is absolutely void of thought and emotion. There is literally nothing happening 1cm outside your forehead ever since you have been born. The space in front of you has never had a qualia to it. Its never been scary or happy or loving or mean. That all happens behind your head away from the space in front of you.

You see a woman come into the hot tub you feel sexual from it. The space in front of you is completely void of all emotion. It feels like ...................... that includes the feelings you think the woman is having at you because she's in that space.

If you are sad your gf broke up with you and then your dad commit suicide and then your mom died and you were devastated crying in your room hating the space in front of you.

All the love you received and are grieving from your mother and father and gf never existed in the space in front of you. Its only come from the space behind you outside of the light.

Hojo:

How would you talk someone out of schizophrenia? 

You can only talk them further into it.

The only way to transcend schizophrenia is by doing the two-smudge-to-one-mirror-technique, and that can only be done by the individual.

[samijiben]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Carl-RichardThey are reacting and talking to it that feeds it. Like imagine one night when you are a kid your parents yell at you you goin your room and scream and they beat you and you are crying that you hate life and no one loves you. You are being traumatized and tell yourself you hate yourself. That goes into the brain. The brain has a chat gpt you feed it information. Now I will show you what its like I will mark c = chat gpt of mind, p= the person thinking

 p=I am a bad person cause I did x and I should have known better and everyone hates me, I hate myself I am shit I am retarded

Next day

c = I am a bad person cause I did x and I should have known better and everyone hates me, I hate myself I am shit I am retarded

P =  I am so sad my parents and everyone hate me.

Next day

c = I am a bad person cause I did x and I should have known better and everyone hates me, I hate myself I am shit I am retarded. I am so sad my parents and everyone hate me.

p= why do I keep fucking up why am I so stupid

Next day

c= I am a bad person cause I did x and I should have known better and everyone hates me, I hate myself I am shit I am retarded. I am so sad my parents and everyone hate me. why do I keep fucking up why am I so stupid.

p= I am lazy peice of shit I dont want to talk to anyone I hate everyone they are the cause of my problems.

Next day

c= I am a bad person cause I did x and I should have known better and everyone hates me, I hate myself I am shit I am retarded. I am so sad my parents and everyone hate me. why do I keep fucking up why am I so stupid.I am lazy peice of shit I dont want to talk to anyone I hate everyone they are the cause of my problems.

p= ect ect ect to whenever they want to stop or suicide.

The schizophrenic is unconsciously feeding the mind negative thoughts or lies about reality and they believe it to be true when its not happening. They think the chat gpt is them and they are reacting to it.

Now add meth and staying up for days hyper thinking about being Jesus you lose track of where you start and the thought ends. Now you are mad. Even by reacting to one thought is the first step to losing track of yourself. When you react you are stimulating survival and it stores the thought to remind you about it again.

You can clearly see which is you by screaming in your mind.  80 to 90 to 100 percent of thoughts are not you its recycled garbage. You cannot come up with new stuff thats imagination. After a moment has happened and its registered everytime you think of what has happened its recycled chat gpt. Every addition to what happened is further from truth.

Just when I thought your grammar & clarity has improved SIGNIFICANTLY, i get to the last paragraph. Wtf are you talking about, Hojo? Is this on purpose? Gotta wrap it up on a nonsensical note, do we now?

Jesus Christ man, I wish I could just understand one of your messages in entirety and go to sleep with full understanding. 

You don't make any fkn sense, and I love it.

Bless You, Hojojohohojo.

[Hojo]

@samijiben You have two selves you can clearly determine which is you doing it by screaming in your head. Thats you, it takes effort to think with that voice. You also have another voice that is just recycled garbage. Notice you can only use that part of you, that you feel when you scream in your mind, in the current moment. So something comes to your mind you, didnt put any effort into it with that feeling you feel when you scream in your mind then that is chat gpt not you.

If you want to test consciously scream in your mind every time you think to yourself. Then see when you are not screaming at yourself you are drifted off into listening to a script your brain is feeding you. Then you will see oh my God im talking to myself like a schiophrenic person.

Edited 16 hours ago by Hojo

[samijiben]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@samijiben You have two selves you can clearly determine which is you doing it by screaming in your head. Thats you, it takes effort to think with that voice. You also have another voice that is just recycled garbage. Notice you can only use that part of you, that you feel when you scream in your mind, in the current moment. So something comes to your mind you, didnt put any effort into it with that feeling you feel when you scream in your mind then that is chat gpt not you.

If you want to test consciously scream in your mind every time you think to yourself. Then see when you are not screaming at yourself you are drifted off into listening to a script your brain is feeding you. Then you will see oh my God im talking to myself.

Between screaming to myself & sucking energy in (instead of projecting it out), I am starting to develop empowering notions like the ones @Carl-Richard was talking about.

This forum is fknnnn awesome! Thank you guys!

[Hojo]

@samijibenYou want to become a brain dead black hole. You will see you dont have to think God will take care of you if you surrender yourself to life. Even if you die you lose nothing you ever had.

Edited 16 hours ago by Hojo

[samijiben]

@Hojo lalalalalalala

[theleelajoker]

This really got to me. And it indeed makes sense...it's so obvious and still it's a new perspective. 

I would add "schizophrenia is believing the voice in your head is you + you are believing this voice"

15 hours ago, Hojo said:

When I did them I saw that I had/have schizophrenia. You might already have it alot of people have it way more than what we think. We just see the tail end of it. Society breeds schizophrenia. Id say a solid 70 percent of western population have it. Anyone with anxiety has schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia is believing the voice in your head is you. It can go to extreme levels or stay the same. Its like survival mode is permanently on. Whatever the ego makes up and you beleive will be your symptoms of it. Its not really something to be scared of until it starts making you do things you wouldn't normally do.

 

[Carl-Richard]

18 hours ago, Hojo said:

Id say a solid 70 percent of western population have it. Anyone with anxiety has schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia is believing the voice in your head is you.

If that's what schizophrenia is, it's 99.999%.

[Hojo]

@Carl-Richard Yes. Its just the tail end that we deem schizophrenia because then we would have to admit that everyone has it. We look at the tail end and get scared cause we know we are on the way.

[Nilsi]

16 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's more like believing the voice in your head is not you, but ok...

Absolutely. This should be empirically obvious to anyone who’s ever observed a schizophrenic person or has had a psychedelic episode that veered in that direction.

A “schizo” perceives the Other everywhere and becomes trapped in an endless, often desperate search for their own center of identity. This experience is frequently paranoid - think of a bad LSD trip - where “the voice” is sensed as a malevolent, intrusive presence: spying, plotting, trying to penetrate or overwrite their thoughts. In response, the person struggles to create some distance from this invasive agency: they may scream, contort their face, or deliberately distort their speech in an attempt to locate “their” authentic voice. Sometimes they start speaking in fragmented or completely unintelligible language as a way to break free from the logic and structure the voice imposes on them. It’s as if language itself has become the instrument of persecution, and escaping it requires dissolving the shared coordinates of meaning.

[Nilsi]

1 minute ago, Nilsi said:

Absolutely. This should be empirically obvious to anyone who’s ever observed a schizophrenic person or has had a psychedelic episode that veered in that direction.

A “schizo” perceives the Other everywhere and becomes trapped in an endless, often desperate search for their own center of identity. This experience is frequently paranoid - think of a bad LSD trip - where “the voice” is sensed as a malevolent, intrusive presence: spying, plotting, trying to penetrate or overwrite their thoughts. In response, the person struggles to create some distance from this invasive agency: they may scream, contort their face, or deliberately distort their speech in an attempt to locate “their” authentic voice. Sometimes they start speaking in fragmented or completely unintelligible language as a way to break free from the logic and structure the voice imposes on them. It’s as if language itself has become the instrument of persecution, and escaping it requires dissolving the shared coordinates of meaning.

It’s as if they are trying to turn themselves inside out to escape a presence that is not only pursuing them but is also fused with their own thinking. But there is no exit, because the Other has already colonized the space from which any escape would have to begin.