How to get meditation to work: deconstruction

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

Definitely. ❤️ 

Good tidings to us on our inner journey! 

I'll spend some time putting forth my own thoughts to your prosperity 🙏🖤

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Good tidings to us on our inner journey! 

Let's loveeeee ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ 

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I'll spend some time putting forth my own thoughts to your prosperity 🙏🖤

Love is inevitable ❤️ 

[Inliytened1]

On 6/15/2025 at 6:57 PM, Carl-Richard said:

Why is meditation so controversial? Why doesn't it work for some people but for others it explodes?

 

There is a genetic component.  Also most people don't do actial meditation or follow the meditation practices laid out in Leo's earliest videos - including self inquiry which is one of the most essential.  (That is enough deconstruction right there if you don't hold too tightly to any particular belief system.  Also timing.  One  needs to be in the right place in life where they are ready for Truth to be revealed.   This means they need a certain level of suffering prior to.doing it.  All of these components must fall into place at the right time for.awaleming to occurr during meditation.   But meditation, if done right, can alter your state and level of Consciousness. 

Edited June 21 by Inliytened1

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

There is a genetic component. 

Meditation and access to higher states and how they interact with ones unique genetics are a curious area.

Looking at it epigenetically it really gets my mind going. Genetics load the gun, and environment pulls the trigger (as the saying goes).

I've always had no issue with meditation and being able to do ZERO with no stimulation for 1/2 hours. And I previously thought (ignorantly) that this was a skill anyone could access just by sitting and removing everything. Reading some forum posts here, and some other anecdotes of how much individuals struggle to sit even 10 minutes sans-stimulus, threw me for a loop.

I really do wonder if our environment (air, food, screens, water) interact in a more complex way to switch the genetics 'on' to be able to meditate.

How are we to discover this, without painstaking trial and error, is a long and arduous process. Imagine - it could simply be one thing (ie type of food) switching off the genes that facilitate an easy transition, and maintenance, of a meditative state. It could just be the air quality even. Even I notice this in myself - when I seek out outback Australian locations, in particular near rivers and dense trees, my meditation experience is far superior to when I attempt in my apartment. In fact, if I do have issue slipping into the state or maintaining I actively alter my environment. What if it is blue light? What if it is the radio-waves in the air? I know for sure, after much experimentation, binaural beats always assist. These alter brainwave states, but how do we know if different genes are activating in the process?

Who knows if this is literally switching genes on or off?  

After reading about epigenetics, there are actually multiple very fast acting pathways that lead to different gene expression - some pathways cause effects within seconds, minutes, hours.

Ultimately, I feel like there are way too many variables, and we are still in the infancy stages of understanding our own biology.

 

[Carl-Richard]

On 21.6.2025 at 5:56 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Apologies for the late reply @Carl-Richard - I wanted to do this answer the justice it deserves by thoroughly deconstructing my deconstruction process.. so to speak  

So, I work in commercial construction, so it is easiest for me to supply you all with a concept to illustrate the process (sorry to the concrete [LOL] thinkers).

Imagine, if you will, a set of plans to build a 2 story building. When you go to the site to check out what latent conditions are present (your ego) it looks good. There is a little slab of concrete there ready to act as a footing, or stability structure, for your building. The soil looks pristine on the surface. So, you go in and begin building (your thoughts). You level the existing concrete and decide this will be the slab. You get the steel in, calculate loads and order the members needed to bear the weight of the building. You start building the walls with studs and tracks. Next, plaster. You are very proud and invested in what you have created here. You identify with your creation (thoughts).

You progress through the build.

It's going well, then suddenly, you run into 2 massive issues - you didn't check the soil. Or footing. The weight of the upper structure is too heavy for the base. It's going to topple. You also didn't core into the base you found to rough in pipes for the toilet and plumbing - SHIT. FUCK. Now you have to fucking rip the structure down. You need a geoengineer to test the soil. You need to rip up the concrete (your ego) so you can pour a new slab with a footing that can support what you are going to build on top. What a waste of time. Lucky that this building is just conceptual as otherwise this could be a $100,000 error.

Back to deconstructive meditation:

Your ego is at the core - that's the foundation of the build. The soil quality, the slab. There are hidden beliefs/assumptions there - just like there are latent conditions in the soil of our build. You absolutely need to know these conditions to be able to build the structure (your thoughts). Do you really want to found your understanding of consciousness on these potential landmines within you? It will topple at some point - and your entire understanding of reality will explode in your face (midlife crisis).

As you further enter into the deconstruction process, you realize just how much you identify with your thoughts. So, the primary technique I employ is 'I am not XXX'. Realize just how much you identify with your thoughts and reasoning. These are the structure of your building. You have so much pride and ego in the building. Look at it! That shit is beautiful, the cladding! The door hardware! But as you deconstruct this, you realize you cannot even be sure your thoughts are your own! How do you know that is YOUR thought? You think it is yours because your ego identifies with it. Just look at half the people on this forum - they all post and when their thoughts are challenged, their ego is fucking TRIGGERED. They think they are their thoughts. They think thought is fundamental. This is an assumption. I digress...

Following this deconstruction process 'I am not...' you eventually reach a state of empty.

And once you reach that state, you make way for something else to come in. Something you can NEVER perceive with all the human bullshit that stands in your way. This is your own unique experience to reveal. This is the truth you are trying to get at within you.

But you cannot ever reach this space if you are building some shit on top of a rotten base all the time.

Constructing is a different tool. It can be useful. But meditation is for deconstructing. 

Damn. A literal construction metaphor for explaining deconstruction 😆 Very sound.

[Inliytened1]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Meditation and access to higher states and how they interact with ones unique genetics are a curious area.

Looking at it epigenetically it really gets my mind going. Genetics load the gun, and environment pulls the trigger (as the saying goes).

I've always had no issue with meditation and being able to do ZERO with no stimulation for 1/2 hours. And I previously thought (ignorantly) that this was a skill anyone could access just by sitting and removing everything. Reading some forum posts here, and some other anecdotes of how much individuals struggle to sit even 10 minutes sans-stimulus, threw me for a loop.

I really do wonder if our environment (air, food, screens, water) interact in a more complex way to switch the genetics 'on' to be able to meditate.

How are we to discover this, without painstaking trial and error, is a long and arduous process. Imagine - it could simply be one thing (ie type of food) switching off the genes that facilitate an easy transition, and maintenance, of a meditative state. It could just be the air quality even. Even I notice this in myself - when I seek out outback Australian locations, in particular near rivers and dense trees, my meditation experience is far superior to when I attempt in my apartment. In fact, if I do have issue slipping into the state or maintaining I actively alter my environment. What if it is blue light? What if it is the radio-waves in the air? I know for sure, after much experimentation, binaural beats always assist. These alter brainwave states, but how do we know if different genes are activating in the process?

Who knows if this is literally switching genes on or off?  

After reading about epigenetics, there are actually multiple very fast acting pathways that lead to different gene expression - some pathways cause effects within seconds, minutes, hours.

Ultimately, I feel like there are way too many variables, and we are still in the infancy stages of understanding our own biology.

 

Are you able to make the Buddha dance via concentration meditation? If you can then you have a gift.  This doesn't come with practice this just happens for some.  I can look at an object for a few minutes and it will begin to weave back and forth in my direct experience.   That is the dream beginning to dissolve or reality showing its true colors.  

[James123]

15 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

There is a genetic component.  Also most people don't do actial meditation or follow the meditation practices laid out in Leo's earliest videos - including self inquiry which is one of the most essential.  (That is enough deconstruction right there if you don't hold too tightly to any particular belief system.  Also timing.  One  needs to be in the right place in life where they are ready for Truth to be revealed.   This means they need a certain level of suffering prior to.doing it.  All of these components must fall into place at the right time for.awaleming to occurr during meditation.   But meditation, if done right, can alter your state and level of Consciousness. 

Just be witness of the thoughts. Now. That's all the spiritually is about.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Just be witness of the thoughts. Now. That's all the spiritually is about.

It's about putting your Consciousness on Consciousness. 

[James123]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's about putting your Consciousness on Consciousness. 

So, it is like a mathematics. 😊 

[Inliytened1]

20 minutes ago, James123 said:

So, it is like a mathematics. 😊 

😀 love you bro. One of the few enlightened ones.

[James123]

@Inliytened1 love you too brother ❤️ 

[Inliytened1]

Just now, James123 said:

@Inliytened1 love you too brother ❤️ 

If I could i would just sit in a dark room and bliss out all day in do nothing meditation. I would sit in actuality forever.   That is heaven.  But for some reason I choose to sit here and goof around with all my little attachments.  And my blue skies and my squirrels shuffling up the trees.  And my wars. And my nations.  Why did I create this? Is it a hell hole or is it heaven.  I guess in the end we end up in the same place.

[Carl-Richard]

15 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

There is a genetic component.  Also most people don't do actial meditation or follow the meditation practices laid out in Leo's earliest videos - including self inquiry which is one of the most essential.  (That is enough deconstruction right there if you don't hold too tightly to any particular belief system.  Also timing.  One  needs to be in the right place in life where they are ready for Truth to be revealed.   This means they need a certain level of suffering prior to.doing it.  All of these components must fall into place at the right time for.awaleming to occurr during meditation.   But meditation, if done right, can alter your state and level of Consciousness. 

I believe genetics often dictate whether you do the right things intuitively, like deconstruction. Meanwhile some need a prompt to do the right things and suddenly they get many benefits. Then some maybe struggle doing the right things.

Genetics is also a crude way of looking at it. You might actually have spent decades meditating in a past life and you pick up where you left off. Somebody posted pictures of a child prodigy painter in another thread. The things they drew when they were four-five years old makes you think they definitely had some past life experience.

Another painter Jan Esmann said he was a painter in at least one of his past lives, and he is of course a master. He was also on the spiritual path for many lifetimes, which also would explain his insane experiences.

[James123]

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If I could i would just sit in a dark room and bliss out all day in do nothing meditation. I would sit in actuality forever.   That is heaven.  But for some reason I choose to sit here and goof around with all my little attachments.  And my blue skies and my squirrels shuffling up the trees.  And my wars. And my nations.  Why did I create this? Is it a hell hole or is it heaven.  I guess in the end we end up in the same place.

Just to hug to each other, cry with each other and dance with each other. (No matter which nation, religion, color, belief, age, sex etc...)

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

Just to hug to each other, cry with each other and dance with each other. (No matter which nation, religion, color, belief, age, sex etc...)

Love.  Yes.  Love 

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Love.  Yes.  Love 

Even just saying, I love you to someone or something without any expectation is such a fucking beautiful thing, mesmerizing.

Edited June 22 by James123

[Inliytened1]

49 minutes ago, James123 said:

Even just saying, I love you to someone or something without any expectation is such a fucking beautiful thing, mesmerizing.

Indeed.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Are you able to make the Buddha dance via concentration meditation? If you can then you have a gift.  This doesn't come with practice this just happens for some.  I can look at an object for a few minutes and it will begin to weave back and forth in my direct experience.   That is the dream beginning to dissolve or reality showing its true colors.  

Do you mean when you focus and the object begins to appear to contain a frequency overlay - like a a mirage of waves oscillating overlaying the object, but it IS the object warping? 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Genetics is also a crude way of looking at it. You might actually have spent decades meditating in a past life and you pick up where you left off. Somebody posted pictures of a child prodigy painter in another thread. The things they drew when they were four-five years old makes you think they definitely had some past life experience.

Creativity as a meditation... 

So I was raised very strangely. Artists studio, not a lot of TV. My grandfather was a prolific artist, winning many awards. Awards that took him around the world to study. England, Soviet Russia. Moved among wealthy partisans after the great wars. Arts master for 30 years at the top private school in Melbourne. Worked full time teaching art, came home and painted. I was mainly raised by him. 

He was the most intensely creative person I have ever met.

It is cut and dry how much creativity and gifts in the arts I inherited from him. Before he began training me I could render things, create and construct things to the extent I was accused of lying by schools in 'Show and Tell'. I really don't mean to brag at all, just illustrating that there is something to be said for genetics. I was trained up as well, traditionally. First principles. Then gradating through various mediums. I just had the fine motor control he had, and the ability to see things in a way as to just 'know' how to slightly alter it to bring balance, beauty.

He always told me 'Everything is love, everything is one. All religions are trying to tell you this. They are all the same. People take the wrong things away from religion. They mostly just divide us when they shouldn't' He was fascinated with all types of religions and belief systems. Very open man. Another repeated lesson 'When you create, you focus. You aren't yourself anymore. Think on it. You are just the point of focus at the tip of the brush. The canvas is like the blank substrate of the world around you. When your brush meets the canvas you render reality, as you see it'. Being told these things from a young age already had me quite egoicaly disconnected from what made me, me. I never realised this though. This wasn't negative feeling. It was a pure emphasis on what I do, manipulating this substance that makes makes up reality. I just created stuff and that was all that mattered. And he emphasised that I am the one who creates it all. 

He was also a raging alcoholic and womaniser >.< Everyone has their flaws.

He always had me return my thoughts to breath. Always breath. So I was introduced to this focused form of meditative creation from a young age, and for years after.

Is it genetics? Is it exposure? Is it both? It is only recently I have had to reassess my beliefs regarding all this. In particular how creativity as a single point of focus feels like it erases reality for me, when I am in process. No time. No me.

Thanks for reading anyone who made it through that !

[Puer Aeternus]

@Natasha Tori Maru Woooah such a unique situation!! Very interesting

Reminds me of famous people like Daniel Schmachtenberger and Richard Feynman whose parents were both very interested and interesting. Passing their genetics and passions to create very lightning in a bottle children.

No surprise you can run circles with seeds like that planted in you so young, even in spite of the flaws!