Non dual versus God realization

[Davino]

17 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

God i bought a little 5meo like two years ago (which wasn’t that easy to find) but i still haven’t tried it.

What are you waiting for?

There's never the perfect moment, just jump in the water.

[Davino]

17 hours ago, James123 said:

Where was any experience before your so called birth?

You still think you are human right?

Then you need much preliminary work before understanding my last message.

If you say there's no past and no future, then why you claim to have a birth, a beginning? 

It's just a construction a story in your mind. You are within experience always while using your human imagination to conjure non-experience because some Buddhist told you so.

Honestly for me saying that I was birthed sounds quite a funny story. I just know I'm beginningless and endless as well as all beginnings and all ends. It's not even something radical it's just direct present perception.

I recommend you to do heavy deconstruction work. You have a lot of foreign ideas in your mind that are not allowing you to see present reality or use your intelligence properly.

[James123]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

You still think you are human right?

Then you need much preliminary work before understanding my last message.

If you say there's no past and no future, then why you claim to have a birth, a beginning? 

It's just a construction a story in your mind. You are within experience always while using your human imagination to conjure non-experience because some Buddhist told you so.

Honestly for me saying that I was birthed sounds quite a funny story. I just know I'm beginningless and endless as well as all beginnings and all ends. It's not even something radical it's just direct present perception.

I recommend you to do heavy deconstruction work. You have a lot of foreign ideas in your mind that are not allowing you to see present reality or use your intelligence properly.

😊. This has nothing to do with ideas, beliefs or experiences. It is completely opposite, it is genuinely not knowing. When you genuinely not know, You are free. Do you think this is a kind of study to read or work? 😊 It is completely opposite. It is about completely letting go.

Edited Tuesday at 10:32 AM by James123

[James123]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

You still think you are human right?

I don't think at all 😊 

[James123]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

You still think you are human right?

I don't think at all 😊 

[Sugarcoat]

LOL did someone just say non duality is easy and non-threatening. 
 

There’s nothing casual about your existence being an illusion and there being only oneness/infinity/nothingness/everything. That is one of the most, if not the most, radical things to realize. 

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

LOL did someone just say non duality is easy and non-threatening. 
 

There’s nothing casual about your existence being an illusion and there being only oneness/infinity/nothingness/everything. That is one of the most, if not the most, radical things to realize. 

Yea it’s the death of everything. You. Your relationships. Your loved ones. Your hopes. No control. No future.

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea it’s the death of everything. You. Your relationships. Your loved ones. Your hopes. No control. No future.

Yea I don’t know if I believe there’s something beyond that, that isn’t on the relative level. But what do I know. I don’t have the direct experience to prove/disprove it

[Davino]

On 17/6/2025 at 0:31 PM, James123 said:

This has nothing to do with ideas, beliefs or experiences. It is completely opposite, it is genuinely not knowing. When you genuinely not know, You are free. It is about completely letting go.

Why would be not knowing superior to experience? Or more fundamental in any way?

[Davino]

On 17/6/2025 at 0:39 PM, James123 said:

I don't think at all 😊 

Sure buddy

[James123]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

Why would be not knowing superior to experience? Or more fundamental in any way?

Because, experiencing comes from knowing.

1 hour ago, Davino said:

Sure buddy

This is a love story, don't take seriously 😍

[Davino]

4 hours ago, James123 said:

Because, experiencing comes from knowing.

What non sense are you speaking?

Does a newborn know anything? No

Does a newborn experience reality? Yes

 

This is the end of the conversation. I expect higher quality thinking from you. 

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Davino said:

Does a newborn know anything? No

Does a newborn experience reality? Yes

You think there is a newborn and experiencing something, therefore it is your so called reality, stop observing. That's all your imagination.

Let go. 

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Davino said:

This is the end of the conversation. I expect higher quality thinking from you. 

Thinker is an illusion. Lol

[Keryo Koffa]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

Because, experiencing comes from knowing.

29 minutes ago, Davino said:

Does a newborn know anything? No | Does a newborn experience reality? Yes

Being (Experience/Knowing) Experiences (Knows/Is) Knowing (Being/Experience)
Being Knows Experience | Experience Is/Becomes Knowing | Experience Knows Being
Knowing Experiences Being | Knowing is Experienc(e/ing) -> Arrange 🔴🟢🔵

[Davino]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

You think there is a newborn and experiencing something, therefore it is your so called reality, stop observing. That's all your imagination.

Yes, that is so. Very nice, now you're thinking.

Experience is more fundamental than knowledge or understanding. Why? Because experience doesn't need any knowledge or ignorance to be. As a matter of fact, knowledge, thought, self and ignorance are experienced and therefore experience. Knowledge cannot generate experience but it interprets experience. Experience can generate knowledge and all knowledge is experience.

Therefore, experience is more fundamental than knowledge. Metaphysics is more fundamental than epistemology. Experience is an absolute because experience is consciousness is reality.

Edited Thursday at 06:08 PM by Davino

[Davino]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

Thinker is an illusion. Lol

I never said there was a thinker, I said there are thoughts. Thoughts can happen without a thinker, like clouds travel through the sky. Although most people's mind are a hurricane 🌀 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Davino said:

I never said there was a thinker, I said there are thoughts. Thoughts can happen without a thinker, like clouds travel through the sky. Although most people's mind are a hurricane 🌀 

Where are the thoughts?

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

Yes, that is so. Very nice, now you're thinking.

Experience is more fundamental than knowledge or understanding. Why? Because experience doesn't need any knowledge or ignorance to be. As a matter of fact, knowledge, thought, self and ignorance are experienced and therefore experience. Knowledge cannot generate experience but it interprets experience. Experience can generate knowledge and all knowledge is experience.

Therefore, experience is more fundamental than knowledge. Metaphysics is more fundamental than epistemology. Experience is an absolute because experience is consciousness is reality.

İf you never learned anything, what can you experience?

[Keryo Koffa]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

İf you never learned anything, what can you experience?

İf you never experienced anything, what can you know?

[Davino]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

Where are the thoughts?

In experience 

I can't be the only lunatic experiencing thoughts😂

3 hours ago, James123 said:

İf you never learned anything, what can you experience?

Everything but learning.