Non dual versus God realization

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Did you perceive anything before your so called birth or in your deepest sleep? That's what thoughtlessness is. 

I don't remember what happened before of my birth. I even don't remember what I ate 3 weeks ago. 

1 minute ago, James123 said:

No. İt is just an attachment, let go of it. Whatever you believe that's what your so called reality, if you do not believe in anything, including yourself, no attachment whatsoever. That's what freedom is.

I don't believe nothing, I just open my eyes and my being to see. It's not so big deal empty the mind of concepts, it's quite easy to me because I know that nothing means nothing from an absolute perspective. I am, that is. But it's different being with barriers or without them. The level of the conceptual mind is not the last level and then everything is open, there are more levels of closure without any single thought

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't remember what happened before of my birth. I even don't remember what I ate 3 weeks ago. 

This is what thoughtlessness is. 

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't believe nothing, I just open my eyes and my being to see. It's not so big deal empty the mind of concepts, it's quite easy to me because I know that nothing means nothing from an absolute perspective. I am, that is. But it's different being with barriers or without them. The level of the conceptual mind is not the last level and then everything is open, there are more levels of closure without any single thought

Because, there is a so called you for you (😊), which is the biggest barrier.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, James123 said:

This is what thoughtlessness is. 

Because, there is a so called you for you (😊), which is the biggest barrier.

No, I think that you didn't understand, I said that I broke all the barriers many times. I know that you are attached to feel that no, that it's a lie, I'm deceived, anyone is deceived etc , because you need that feeling, it's quite obvious. Then, it's useless to explain you anything 

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, I think that you didn't understand, I said that I broke all the barriers many times. I know that you are attached to feel that no, that it's a lie, I'm deceived, anyone is deceived etc , because you need that feeling, it's quite obvious. Then, it's useless to explain you anything 

That's what the mind says brother. Don trust it. The moment gives you the truth, no word or experience can give it to you. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, James123 said:

That's what the mind says brother. Don trust it. The moment gives you the truth, no word or experience can give it to you. 

🥱

[James123]

@Breakingthewall there is no future nor past. Only now.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, James123 said:

@Breakingthewall there is no future nor past. Only now.

Yes, this is the step one in meditation, not the end of meditation. Anyone who's in spirituality must be able to totally stop the logical mind made of thoughs, then be empty of mental noise and you will realize that there are still barriers. It's like you are in silence and you have for example pain. You don't need to name it, it is. Same the energetic barriers that close you. They are not a thought, the thought comes after, now writing about it

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, this is the step one in meditation, not the end of meditation. Anyone who's in spirituality must be able to totally stop the logical mind made of thoughs, then be empty of mental noise and you will realize that there are still barriers. It's like you are in silence and you have for example pain. You don't need to name it, it is. Same the energetic barriers that close you. They are not a thought, the thought comes after, now writing about it

This is all mind chattering. There is no pain, energy, barrier unless you name and label it.

Try to find yourself in the so called body, where are you?

There is no eyes to see anything, you are the Moment.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is no pain,

If you're burned with fire, do you need to name it for it to hurt? Don't babies feel pain?

5 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is no eyes to see anything, you are the Moment.

Sure but the moment is close by energetic barriers. That you can't see them doesn't mean that they doesn't exist 

[James123]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure but the moment is close by energetic barriers. That you can't see them doesn't mean that they doesn't exist 

There is no eyes to see anything. You are the Moment.

25 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you're burned with fire, do you need to name it for it to hurt? Don't babies feel pain?

İmagination. You believe / attached that there is baby and crying etc... demonstrates that it is suffering. You have no mind or body. You are just an memory or accumulated so called thoughts. When you sleep, there is nothing, before your birth, there is nothing, after your death there is nothing. Idea of mind think is attached with the body, therefore when thinking stops, mind dies, therefore so called body.

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is no eyes to see anything. You are the Moment.

İmagination. You believe / attached that there is baby and crying etc... demonstrates that it is suffering. You have no mind or body. You are just an memory or accumulated so called thoughts. When you sleep, there is nothing, before your birth, there is nothing, after your death there is nothing. Idea of mind think is attached with the body, therefore when thinking stops, mind dies, therefore so called body.

You are giving a lot of importance to the thoughts. They are not so important, the barriers are beyond the thoughts. Anyway, if you don't believe that, ok

[Keryo Koffa]

Can you meditate then sun away, or only ignore it by dismissing the thought?
What is nothing like, can one stay there outside everything?

Edited Monday at 11:13 PM by Keryo Koffa

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Can you meditate then sun away, or only ignore it by dismissing the thought?
What is nothing like, can one stay there outside everything?

Yes it's easy. You have to manage to enter a mental dimension in which meaning loses its charge. Nothing means anything; it's a relatively simple practice. From an absolute perspective, it's like this: meaning means nothing, because any meaning is relative to something. What happens is that there are energetic barriers beyond the mental; they are primordial. Fear, the need for control. They are real, solid. Breaking them requires looking at them directly.

[Keryo Koffa]

33 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes it's easy. You have to manage to enter a mental dimension in which meaning loses its charge. Nothing means anything; it's a relatively simple practice. From an absolute perspective, it's like this: meaning means nothing, because any meaning is relative to something. What happens is that there are energetic barriers beyond the mental; they are primordial. Fear, the need for control. They are real, solid. Breaking them requires looking at them directly.

I've been incepting deep into those instincts reality filters through.
It usually just feels like the collective world keeps pulling me back.
I've dreamed wanting to disappear but became the world instead.
I told an entity I wanted my mind shut off, faded out to reappear.

Dissolving away, seeing scaling galactic civilizations flash my eyes,
I awoke on the ground as a member of natives doing an initiation,
being announced back I immediately replied "I'm another person!".

Had placebo peaks overriding reality initiating collective mandellas.
Had alien telepathy encounters they tried to erase out of memory.
And human telepathy gets overridden and outsourced to oversouls.
When reality gets too incoherent, it loops, rewinds, freezes, forces.

And the funniest was when I caught the matrix at synchronicity.
When another perspective re-simulated my whole environment.
And I immediately shifted out of hypnosis into meta-awareness.
Seeing it trying to undo and cover its tracks was totally hilarious.
Imagine a live other trying to recontextualize itself as a recording.

Edited Monday at 11:57 PM by Keryo Koffa

[James123]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You are giving a lot of importance to the thoughts. They are not so important, the barriers are beyond the thoughts. Anyway, if you don't believe that, ok

Sure. Love you brother.

[Oppositionless]

@Twentyfirst nondual teachers seem to think God is stupid , mundane , and ordinary . Because of course God is . But God is also very intelligent, loving , and personal. You're in a constant relationship with a part of yourself you haven't integrated yet . And you integrate that and the next thing manifests as the Other.

Edited Tuesday at 08:08 AM by Oppositionless

[Twentyfirst]

21 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I think this guy in the video is still a seeker.
 

Also i agree that this Rupert Spira talk of being aware of awareness is bland.

That‘s why i like Tony Parsons and the gang.

I don't know if he's still a seeker or not. He allegedly became enlightened in high school....one of those early bloomers but maybe too early

[James123]

15 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

@Twentyfirst nondual teachers seem to think God is stupid , mundane , and ordinary . Because of course God is . But God is also very intelligent, loving , and personal. You're in a constant relationship with a part of yourself you haven't integrated yet . And you integrate that and the next thing manifests as the Other.

When there is no thinker, therefore nothing to think, love is inevitable.

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

I've been incepting deep into those instincts reality filters through.
It usually just feels like the collective world keeps pulling me back.
I've dreamed wanting to disappear but became the world instead.
I told an entity I wanted my mind shut off, faded out to reappear.

Dissolving away, seeing scaling galactic civilizations flash my eyes,
I awoke on the ground as a member of natives doing an initiation,
being announced back I immediately replied "I'm another person!".

Had placebo peaks overriding reality initiating collective mandellas.
Had alien telepathy encounters they tried to erase out of memory.
And human telepathy gets overridden and outsourced to oversouls.
When reality gets too incoherent, it loops, rewinds, freezes, forces.

And the funniest was when I caught the matrix at synchronicity.
When another perspective re-simulated my whole environment.
And I immediately shifted out of hypnosis into meta-awareness.
Seeing it trying to undo and cover its tracks was totally hilarious.
Imagine a live other trying to recontextualize itself as a recording.

Interdimensional perception is possible , it's real, reality is interconnected and synchronized layer upon layer; what we perceive is only the tip of an infinite iceberg. Even so, interdimensional perception is relative; it is in the same dimension as normal perception. It is essential to be able to dissolve the relative in order to be one with your total nature. That is the key to the game. It is not easy, but if you are intelligent, you will realize that God and everything else is a relative experience. The absolute is realizing the nature of reality. This is not relative to anything else; it is the total. It is not God, nor creation, it is unlimited and can't be thought or remembered, you have to do it again and again. Breaking the barrier that make us focused in the movement and avoid the realization of the substance

[Davino]

17 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

I'd rather have a heroic dose of a different Psychedelic/Dissociative every day for variety to (tri)angulate Immersion Breaking for 30 days, I've done 20, 30, 40mg and didn't breakthrough, just observed an induced emotion of overwhelmedness.

That's also a possibility to consider.