Israel launches attack on Iran

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Fixed it for you.

Without Islam, the US and Zionists it would be maybe very kewl.

 

fixed it for you

[SOUL]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Without Islam, the US and Zionists it would be maybe very kewl.

 

fixed it for you

If you see pictures of the middle east in the 40s, 50s and 60s it shows a western styled modern(for the times) culture. Yet, after decades of meddling and warmongering by the west, mostly the US, it's been thrown into continual destabilization and degrading of the quality of life for everyone there.

Well, except for the few that allow themselves to be vassals for western corporate interests, then they are allowed to improve their quality of life and build a society free from constant war. They even get to be permitted into the circle of warmongering states themselves, like Saudi Arabia and Isreal are.

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, SOUL said:

If you see pictures of the middle east in the 40s, 50s and 60s it shows a western styled modern(for the times) culture. Yet, after decades of meddling and warmongering by the west, mostly the US, it's been thrown into continual destabilization and degrading of the quality of life for everyone there.

Well, except for the few that allow themselves to be vassals for western corporate interests, then they are allowed to improve their quality of life and build a society free from constant war. They even get to be permitted into the circle of warmongering states themselves, like Saudi Arabia and Isreal are.

I heard that’s overblown. There are pictures of many women without headscarves and swimsuits etc. in Afghanistan for example. But this was just rich and upper class. Who lived "western" but not most people it wasn’t the culture. Or so i heard.

Edited June 14 by PurpleTree

[SOUL]

30 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I heard that’s overblown. There are pictures of many women without headscarves and swimsuits etc. in Afghanistan for example. But this was just rich and upper class. Who lived "western" but not most people it wasn’t the culture. Or so i heard.

It wasn't just the 'rich and upper class' but the amount of religious extremism or the more culturally restrictive version of it wasn't as influential as it came to be. In fact, in many instances the US and western countries backed, armed and empowered the religious extremists because those groups promise to let the western corporations get the oil and getting a cut themselves in exchange for backing them.

As soon as they didn't do everything the west wanted them to they all of a sudden became 'extremist' and 'terrorist' states. As an example, Saddam Hussein was a western puppet dictator they let gas his own people because he let them do what they want. Some friction occurred, he decides to sell his oil in euros which plummets the US dollar value and poof, 6 months later there's gulf war and he's in a spidy hole.

If a country lets western corporations make most of the money off the oil then they get to do whatever they want. If not then here comes the meddling, coups, destabilization, sanctions and war mongering. They will let Saudi Arabia be as cruel and religious extremist as they want because they play ball with western corporations, if not like Iran, then they are the baddies...truth is, both are pretty bad.

Edited June 14 by SOUL

[Twentyfirst]

@PurpleTree You have the same viewpoints as a batshit genocide leader

Guess what, no matter what governments are in power women in the Middle East will NEVER dress like hoes, get over it 

 

[samijiben]

@Twentyfirst the matter is not women choosing to dress a certain way, but them being forced to dress a certain way. They are so brainwashed that they cannot decide for themselves how to dress. They can't even see how it MIGHT BE just slightly illogical to wear a full head covering and hot ass clothes during the summer????

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

@PurpleTree You have the same viewpoints as a batshit genocide leader

Guess what, no matter what governments are in power women in the Middle East will NEVER dress like hoes, get over it 

 

That’s fine i don’t care. But then don’t tell me that the middle east was western habibo, like the other guy did.

12 minutes ago, SOUL said:

It wasn't just the 'rich and upper class' but the amount of religious extremism or the more culturally restrictive version of it wasn't as influential as it came to be. In fact, in many instances the US and western countries backed, armed and empowered the religious extremists because those groups promise to let the western corporations get the oil and getting a cut themselves in exchange for backing them.

As soon as they didn't do everything the west wanted them to they all of a sudden because extremist and terrorist states. As an example, Saddam Hussein was a western puppet dictator they let gas his own people because he let them do what they want. Some friction occurred, he decides to sell his oil in euros which plummets the US dollar value and poof, 6 months later there's gulf war and he's in a spidy hole.

If a country lets western corporations make most of the money off the oil then they get to do whatever they want. If not then here comes the meddling, coups, destabilization, sanctions and war mongering. They will let Saudi Arabia be as cruel and religious extremist as they want because they play ball with western corporations, if not like Iran, then they are the baddies...truth is, both are pretty bad.

I know all that stuff relax. But what about for example Iran. So there was a democratic election which tried to take the oil from companies and make it state owned or something, was regime changed by the US project ajax tonhave a puppet Shah. But then the Ayatollah came and was supported by the people. So the people there supported religious lunacy also. And if you say it’s always the wests fault. And Islamic countries and leaders and people are so weak and always victims and never the perpetrators and so easily and always manipulated. Then you just make islamic people look a bit weak and dumb imo. 

Edited June 14 by PurpleTree

[Twentyfirst]

3 minutes ago, samijiben said:

@Twentyfirst the matter is not women choosing to dress a certain way, but them being forced to dress a certain way. They are so brainwashed that they cannot decide for themselves how to dress. They can't even see how it MIGHT BE just slightly illogical to wear a full head covering and hot ass clothes during the summer????

Don't worry about it, focus on yourself

Let me put it this way. There is a greater chance of western women voluntarily or by force wearing hijab than there is a chance of Muslim women voluntarily or by force taking off the hijab. Think about it

Don't pretend like you care about Muslim women. The most dangerous thing for Muslim women is not the hijab but the bombs being dropped by Western countries 

Edited June 14 by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

@PurpleTree I said the West was built from foundations they found in the Middle East. Where else would they have gotten it from? The Middle East is way older than the West and it was the civilization that was ahead of all the others 

[PurpleTree]

GPT

Project Ajax (1953) — Overview

 

 

What happened?
The CIA and British intelligence orchestrated a coup to overthrow Iran’s democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh after he nationalized the British-owned oil company (Anglo-Iranian Oil Company).

Why?
The West feared losing control over Iranian oil and worried Mossadegh’s government might tilt toward the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

How?
They used propaganda, bribed officials, organized street protests, and supported military officers to stage the coup.

Result:
Mossadegh was removed, and the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, was reinstalled with strengthened authoritarian powers, ruling until 1979.

 

 

 

 

 

Connection to the Ayatollahs

 

 

Who are the Ayatollahs?
They are high-ranking Shia Islamic clerics, spiritual leaders with significant influence in Iran.

After Project Ajax:

The Shah’s regime became increasingly autocratic and Western-aligned, promoting modernization but also repression.

Many Iranians, especially religious conservatives and clerics, grew resentful of the Shah’s secularization, corruption, and ties to the West.

Among these religious leaders was Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who emerged as a vocal critic of the Shah’s policies and Western influence.

 

Rise of the Ayatollahs:

Over the next two decades, opposition grew, blending nationalist, religious, and anti-imperialist sentiments.

In 1979, this culminated in the Iranian Revolution, led by Khomeini and the clerical establishment, overthrowing the Shah and establishing the Islamic Republic of Iran.

This revolution marked the rise of the Ayatollahs as political leaders, turning Iran into a theocratic state governed by Islamic law.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In summary:

 

 

Project Ajax removed a nationalist leader (Mossadegh) and empowered a Western-backed Shah.

The Shah’s authoritarian rule and secular reforms alienated many, especially religious figures like the Ayatollahs.

This set the stage for the 1979 Islamic Revolution, where the Ayatollahs, led by Khomeini, took control and reversed Iran’s Westernization, emphasizing religious governance.

 

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

@PurpleTree I said the West was built from foundations they found in the Middle East. Where else would they have gotten it from? The Middle East is way older than the West and it was the civilization that was ahead of all the others 

Ok so? I agree and the Middle East had a lot of knowledge from Rome and Greece. And where did the industrial revolution start? And look at them now.

[SOUL]

11 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I know all that stuff relax. But what about for example Iran. So there was a democratic election whichbwas regime changed by the US project ajax tonhave a puppet Shah. But then the Ayatollah came and was supported by the people. So the people there supported religious lunacy also. And if you say it’s always the wests fault. And Islamic countries and leaders and people are so weak and always victims and never the perpetrators and so easily and always manipulated. Then you just make islamic people look a bit weak and dumb imo. 

You are leaving out an important piece, that Shah was an oppressive and abusive dictator. The religious extremists said they would 'liberate them' from the oppressive government, which they wanted. Except they turned around to oppress them in another way, the religious extremist version of it. They may have been culturally Islamic but that doesn't mean they wanted the extremist version of it.

They didn't choose the religious extremism, they wanted the freedom from oppression, they just didn't get it from the zealots, either If the west hadn't meddled in the first place, the country still might be democratic today. Except for greed and callousness to the people far away, they didn't have to see, the west didn't care as long as they got what they wanted.

It's just the extension of the colonialist mindset that seems to permeate the west.

Edited June 14 by SOUL

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, SOUL said:

You are leaving out an important piece, that Shah was an oppressive and abusive dictator. The religious extremists said they would 'liberate them' from the oppressive government, which they wanted. Except they turned around to oppress them in another way, the religious extremist version of it. They may have been culturally Islamic but that doesn't mean they wanted the extremist version of it.

They didn't choose the religious extremism, they wanted the freedom from oppression, they just didn't get it from the zealots, either If the west hadn't meddled in the first place, the country still might be democratic today. Except for greed and callousness to the people far away, they didn't have to see, the west didn't care as long as they got what they wanted.

It's just the extension of the colonialist mindset that seems to permeate the west.

Ok so do you think the Iranian people should be freed from the religious loonies? 

[SOUL]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Ok so do you think the Iranian people should be freed from the religious loonies? 

I think all people across the world should be freed from the religious loonies.

[PurpleTree]

Just now, SOUL said:

I think all people across the world should be freed from the religious loonies.

I agree. 

[SOUL]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I agree. 

I even think the people of this forum should be freed from the religious loonyism on this forum. Sure, it's a mental captivity and I doubt the solipsistic cabal would turn to actual physical oppression because they would only be oppressing themselves in their mind. 

[Atb210201]

43 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Don't worry about it, focus on yourself

Let me put it this way. There is a greater chance of western women voluntarily or by force wearing hijab than there is a chance of Muslim women voluntarily or by force taking off the hijab. Think about it

Don't pretend like you care about Muslim women. The most dangerous thing for Muslim women is not the hijab but the bombs being dropped by Western countries 

You really don't know what you're talking about here.

I live in Iran. Trust me.

I didn't want to say anything but I had to for this.

Edited June 14 by Atb210201

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Ok so? I agree and the Middle East had a lot of knowledge from Rome and Greece. And where did the industrial revolution start? And look at them now.

The 1st world Middle East now is looking a lot better than the 1st world West 

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Atb210201 said:

You really don't know what you're talking about here.

I live in Iran. Trust me.

I didn't want to say anything but I had to for this.

Congrats, you are part of the tiny tiny minority who is influenced by the West. Every Middle Eastern country has 2% who want to "escape" because they are told on Instagram that they will be more free in the West

Do the regime change and integrate more into the region. But don't let the West scoop in and dominate you. Don't expect some liberal wave to ripple through the region, thats just some weird obsessive western wet dream fantasy 

Edited June 14 by Twentyfirst

[Atb210201]

22 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Congrats, you are part of the tiny tiny minority who is influenced by the West. Every Middle Eastern country has 2% who want to "escape" because they are told on Instagram that they will be more free in the West

Where are you from? Which country are you living in?

I know that I'm not a minority here actually I'm not on any sides myself I just don't want any wars but people who are opposed to the Islamic Republic regime are actually the majority in Iran and pro Israelis are the majority as well exactly for that reason that they are enemies with the state.

So it's important that where you get your information from.

Cause you seem to be far from the facts that are in my living experience in the fucking country you're talking about.

Edited June 14 by Atb210201