The Right Has More Diversity of Thought Than the Left

[SOUL]

9 hours ago, Breathe said:

We're given to sets of values and there's no room for deviation. Example, if i believe in trans rights, am pro-life, and am firmly against gun control am I right or left? To lump people into two categories is too simplistic.

There isn't even consistency within an opinion, as you mentioned, people usually layer in so many caveats to their position that it distorts the point of view so dramatically it isn't really coherent to common knowledge about the topics.

Let alone that most people have a diverse set of viewpoints that cannot be neatly organized into two categories even if they aren't aware of it themselves, as you also mentioned.

Imagine being pro-life for our own life but also pro-choice because you can't impose one person's belief on another.

Consider being for gun control to keep it out of certain people's hands(typically known as red flag laws) because of their behavior but also being in favor of open carry laws(for people who pass safety standards).

What about someone who think trans people should not be discriminated against(housing, health care, workplace, restrooms) but also sees protections for fairness in competition of sports, especially for youth as important.

I know people, even I may have some of these types of nuanced views, but how would these people fit into the 'two box theory' that political and social life has become. These views don't even fit cleanly into one or the other within the typical social understanding of the topic.

On this forum there's a huge thing about being non-dual and then we have to live in a world that is only-dual in nearly every aspect of interaction.

Although, I suspect you understand my points here, I'm probably just be articulating them for others who may read these comments.

Edited June 23 by SOUL

[Scholar]

6 hours ago, SOUL said:

What's absolutely comical is you say this about progressives when it's pretty much ALL of conservative culture, not just half. The most critical things that could be said about 'liberals' is what 'conservatives' celebrate about themselves and blame others for.

Every accusation by conservatives is really just a confession. The lack of self awareness is stunning.

It doesn't quite work the same way. To be MAGA, you can be anything: A flat earther, anti-vaxxer, anti-establishment, UFO conspiracy theorist, neo-nazi, libertarian, anti-woke-warrior, gym-bro, crypto-bro, military-bro, red-pill. I mean they just let anyone in as long as you believe in MAGA.

The left is more so focused on zealotry and purity testing, meaning everyone has to align on every issue otherwise they are the outgroup. If you are not pro-palestine, you are basically not a progressive and a zionist. You don't buy into every trans issue position, you are transphobic. You don't buy into all the anti-white talking points, you are racist.

The right is far more liberal in that it allows more diverse views (any trash that comes their way) as long as the central view is maintain (allegiance to Trump and MAGA), while the left will basically considered anyone a fascist who has a 1% difference in their progressive-DNA.

Edited June 24 by Scholar

[Joshe]

The left isn't a single entity like that. It's more than just SJWs. And the variety of ideologies allowed in MAGA is opportunism, not liberalism. As long as you're Christian or anti-establishment and loyal to Trump, you're in.

The left is different in that they actually try to hold themselves to some kind of moral or ideological consistency, which can lead to infighting or out-grouping because they're actually debating values, not just forming a tribe around dogma and a personality.

The critiques of the left around here, including from dear leader, always seem to be painting everyone left of center with a SJW brush. So much for nuance and depth. Just because MAGA is largely a monolith doesn’t mean the left is, but I understand the impulse to flatten both sides for the sake of appearing "balanced".

It's absurd to say "the left is [insert SJW behavior here]. It would be like saying "The right worships Christ". A large portion of them do, but a significant number don't, so it would be stupid to generalize like that.

When so-called intellectuals make a habit of flattening the entire left into SJWs, it points to ignorance, or worse, groupthink.

A theory:

And here's a good analogy of the difference between the left and MAGA: 

Edited June 24 by Joshe

[SOUL]

5 hours ago, Scholar said:

I mean they just let anyone in as long as you believe in MAGA.

As long as you believe in dear leader... so laughable. The cultish mind-virus that is MAGA is truly diverse, as long as you bow to the almighty Trump.  This is how utterly brainwashed that culture is people can't even see past the veil.

Just doom scroll that twixie site and it's so obvious how accepting of others expression and perspectives they are as long as you submit to everything MAGA wants you to believe. Your every belief and thought are conditioned to conform with the repetitive delusions of the anointed one. 

This isn't even considering the religious fanaticism, add that element to the cauldron of MAGA conservatism it is oh so open minded, they celebrate diversity and inclusion, just ask them. I'm sure they'll agree. I'm stunned I live in the timeline that millions of people are gaslit like this.

I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it with my own eyes.

[BlueOak]

12 hours ago, Scholar said:

It doesn't quite work the same way. To be MAGA, you can be anything: A flat earther, anti-vaxxer, anti-establishment, UFO conspiracy theorist, neo-nazi, libertarian, anti-woke-warrior, gym-bro, crypto-bro, military-bro, red-pill. I mean they just let anyone in as long as you believe in MAGA.

The left is more so focused on zealotry and purity testing, meaning everyone has to align on every issue otherwise they are the outgroup. If you are not pro-palestine, you are basically not a progressive and a zionist. You don't buy into every trans issue position, you are transphobic. You don't buy into all the anti-white talking points, you are racist.

The right is far more liberal in that it allows more diverse views (any trash that comes their way) as long as the central view is maintain (allegiance to Trump and MAGA), while the left will basically considered anyone a fascist who has a 1% difference in their progressive-DNA.

I originally posted that you were speaking about the status quo center of politics not the left. Which is largely true as that drifts towards a status quo.

But on reflection, what you are describing the left does to itself also. There is not agreed-upon position FOR ANYTHING. And people will argue on the smallest details with passion and commitment among everyone. The right just instead likes to and is more successful in having a homogeneous outlook.

What you are also describing is your inability or unwillingness to understand the many nuances present on the left and instead grouping them under a banner of I don't like this, which is what I assume they are doing to you, thus perpetuating the duality of the current system, which requires it. If you were to break down these pro-Palestine and trans rights positions, you'd find a thousand different things to argue about within those beliefs, which you/and they are choosing to lump together for convenience. *Which imho limits your effectiveness in winning over anyone, or having them understand you, because half the time you are having a different conversation to the person you are talking to.

Edited June 24 by BlueOak

[Ulax]

On 14/06/2025 at 1:12 AM, Leo Gura said:

 

Jordan Peterson still struggles to handle the idea of women working.

What is your evidence for this?