Indonesia joins BRICS group of emerging economies

[Ajay0]

Indonesia, the fourth most populous nation on earth, joined the BRICS group of emerging economies this year.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/7/indonesia-joins-brics-group-of-emerging-economies

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Indonesia has formally joined the BRICS group, a bloc of emerging economies featuring Russia, China and others that is viewed as a counterweight to the West.

Brazil, which holds the rotating presidency of the group, declared on Monday that Indonesia was set to join as a full member. Indonesia said on Tuesday that it “welcomes” the announcement.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Jakarta said in a statement that BRICS membership is “a strategic step to improve the collaborations and cooperation with other developing nations, based on the principle of equality, mutual respect, and sustainable development”.

 

 

[zazen]

This is a great macro overview of BRICS place in the world, the shift in power taking place and where things are headed:

Summarized notes from Chat GPT:

- Traditional geopolitics fixates on nation-states and alliances. That’s the stage. We want the script. We analyze who has real power - states, corporations, asset managers, or networks. Real analysis demands we look beyond surface theatrics.

- The Relative power index (RPI) was built to measure real, functional leverage. Not military parades or fake GDP, but authority, resilience, immunity, and dependence. Real power is the ability to shape outcomes without being shaped in return.

- The US still has power, but it’s not for itself. It’s the enforcement arm of financialized capital. It’s not sovereign, it’s a host. Its true rulers are transnational owners of global capital. The US is being decommissioned by the very elites it once served.

- BlackRock has more power over America than Congress does. BlackRock is a private sovereign. It controls capital, influences policy, and cannot be meaningfully retaliated against.

- BRICS is rising, not just symbolically but functionally. Not just rhetorically but through structural dominance. BRICS will control inputs, withstand retaliation, and offer narrative legitimacy through partnership, not imperialism.

- BRICS can't retaliate decisively against Blackrock, but controls what it needs - resources, labor, markets. BlackRock can’t function without BRICS, while BRICS can increasingly walk away. The system is shifting. Irrelevance is the defeat BlackRock will suffer.

- By 2050, BRICS won’t be asking for validation - they will be the ones offering it. The Wests authority will be symbolic. The real world will be built elsewhere - among sovereign civilizations rooted in truth, partnership, and resilience. You don’t need to defeat empire. You just need to make it irrelevant.

 

Edited June 9 by zazen

[PurpleTree]

 

You live in London and enjoy the freedoms there but you always make such nice propaganda for China. Why not live there?

 

[PurpleTree]

15 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

 

You live in London and enjoy the freedoms there but you always make such nice propaganda for China. Why not live there?

 

It’s more a general question and not extremely related to the thread.

@zazen

Edited June 9 by PurpleTree

[PurpleTree]

Wrong post 

Edited June 9 by PurpleTree
wrong post

[zazen]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

 

You live in London and enjoy the freedoms there but you always make such nice propaganda for China. Why not live there?

 

Its's home as born and raised, relations and work here. Though moving Dubai soon - as are plenty from here. Nothing like London though - the city is electric, but quality of life has gone down and prospects aren't looking good.

Dubai's not perfect but works for short-medium term: sun (productivity boost), taxes to stack cash, cosmopolitan (international), safe, proximity to Asia which I love.

Got friends in HK/China I'll be travelling to more often from there - will send you propaganda postcards from China x

European life still beats anywhere else on average. Your in Europe? 

 

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[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, zazen said:

. Your in Europe? 

 

Yea baby. Pretty much in the middle.

What i love about Europe easy to get around by train. I can be in France in 80 minutes and in Italy in less than 3 hours. Human rights. Lgbt rights. Trains. Architecture. Food. Walkability. Culture. Etc
 

Dubai is pretty much lacking in human rights and freedoms no? I know life is good there if you’re rich but otherwise for the indian construction workers etc. No bueno.

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[Apparition of Jack]

As an Australian it’ll be interesting to see how the rise of Indonesia will play out.

Most Australians are only vaguely aware of the country and there’s slight cultural suspicion due to religious/ethnic differences. At the same time I wouldn’t say we’re outright hostile though. 
 

I hope we can find common ground and find productive agreements that benefit both of us.

[zazen]

On 09/06/2025 at 2:23 PM, PurpleTree said:

Yea baby. Pretty much in the middle.

What i love about Europe easy to get around by train. I can be in France in 80 minutes and in Italy in less than 3 hours. Human rights. Lgbt rights. Trains. Architecture. Food. Walkability. Culture. Etc
 

Sounds like Switzerland - there's a new train to be built direct from London To Geneva - pretty sick. I'll never forget the 1st time I took the Eurostar and came out in Paris in 2hrs, just so cool. https://www.forbes.com/sites/everettpotter/2025/05/16/london-to-switzerland-via--a-direct-train-by-2030/

Europe needs the Ukraine war to end, get cheap energy back online with Nord stream to bring down energy costs, then re-focus on building and economic growth via tech so it's not left behind by the US/China and so it can maintain its welfare system which is coming under massive pressure from a aging population + low growth + more dependents from excess migration which needs clamping down.

On 09/06/2025 at 2:23 PM, PurpleTree said:

Dubai is pretty much lacking in human rights and freedoms no? I know life is good there if you’re rich but otherwise for the indian construction workers etc. No bueno.

Yeah bro, they aren't squeaky clean but then again few places are. Its a newly developed city and they've evolved with more regulation and rights for workers now so things are in the right direction. A lot of them from Pakistan/India/Philippines would be struggling to feed their families in their weaker economies which is why they have the highest remittance rates from the gulf - in the billions being sent back home. Same for the US migrants sending to South American countries. That's the hardship of survival.

Difference is that the US has had a hand in de-stabilizing and weakening latin economies which drive migrants north in the first place. UAE's moral failings and flaws are local and more visible, whilst the West's are global and invisible. Our tax money has gone to feed the meat grinder of middle eastern wars like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and now the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. It's a different scale all together. Gotta pick our posions.

Lot of money is concentrated in Dubai just like London, New York or Switzerland. But it's actually not too bad in comparison and there is a variety of lifestyles. For example - 1 bed London apartment in a centralish but not prime location is about £1.8k excluding bills. In Dubai for the same price you'd get amenities like concierge/reception, gym, parking - and with more space in a slightly more central location (10 min walk to the beach). A equivalent new build with all that in London would be £2.5k minimum.

Then you add in that your income is tax free and you save all this money you would have otherwise paid in tax back home - you can just use a portion of that saving to be in Europe for the summer and avoid the Dubai heat at its worst. That's the ideal I think - enjoy old world charm of Europe, futuristic luxury of Dubai, spiritually grounded and raw nature in Thailand/Bali which is an easy flight form Dubai in the off season. Best of everything. Dubai isn't just flash though, it has really sick mountains and hikes, deserts camping/bbq's and activities. 

 

Edited June 10 by zazen

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, zazen said:

Sounds like Switzerland - there's a new train to be built direct from London To Geneva - pretty sick. I'll never forget the 1st time I took the Eurostar and came out in Paris in 2hrs, just so cool. https://www.forbes.com/sites/everettpotter/2025/05/16/london-to-switzerland-via--a-direct-train-by-2030/

Europe needs the Ukraine war to end, get cheap energy back online with Nord stream to bring down energy costs, then re-focus on building and economic growth via tech so it's not left behind by the US/China and so it can maintain its welfare system which is coming under massive pressure from a aging population + low growth + more dependents from excess migration which needs clamping down.

Yeah bro, they aren't squeaky clean but then again few places are. Its a newly developed city and they've evolved with more regulation and rights for workers now so things are in the right direction. A lot of them from Pakistan/India/Philippines would be struggling to feed their families in their weaker economies which is why they have the highest remittance rates from the gulf - in the billions being sent back home. Same for the US migrants sending to South American countries. That's the hardship of survival.

Difference is that the US has had a hand in de-stabilizing and weakening latin economies which drive migrants north in the first place. UAE's moral failings and flaws are local and more visible, whilst the West's are global and invisible. Our tax money has gone to feed the meat grinder of middle eastern wars like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and now the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. It's a different scale all together. Gotta pick our posions.

Lot of money is concentrated in Dubai just like London, New York or Switzerland. But it's actually not too bad in comparison and there is a variety of lifestyles. For example - 1 bed London apartment in a centralish but not prime location is about £1.8k excluding bills. In Dubai for the same price you'd get amenities like concierge/reception, gym, parking - and with more space in a slightly more central location (10 min walk to the beach). A equivalent new build with all that in London would be £2.5k minimum.

Then you add in that your income is tax free and you save all this money you would have otherwise paid in tax back home - you can just use a portion of that saving to be in Europe for the summer and avoid the Dubai heat at its worst. That's the ideal I think - enjoy old world charm of Europe, futuristic luxury of Dubai, spiritually grounded and raw nature in Thailand/Bali which is a easy flight form Dubai in the off season. Best of everything. Dubai though isn't just flash though, it has really sick mountains and hikes, dessert camping/bbq's and activities. 

 

I wonder how those gulf states and KSA etc. are going to develop. MBS is basically an authoritarian dictator. And Dubai a kingdom which doesn’t allow an opposition out of fear. I guess the people will play along as long as they get money and security. I’ve been to places like Rome and Paris frequently recently and seen many gulf state tourists. They seem very shallow all about money and shopping which might be a projection. But then i heard Qatar has a small non duality community which i found cool.

[Breakingthewall]

On 9/6/2025 at 11:00 AM, zazen said:

By 2050, BRICS won’t be asking for validation

At the speed at which events are unfolding, in less than 10 years, BRICS could be the powerhouse. It already is de facto, and China's pace is unprecedented in the history of human kind. Billions of poor people in Africa and Asia look to China with hope. Europe and the US, the former colonizers and modern plunderers, are seen without their smiling masks as the swindlers they are. Their entire foreign policy is a scam: appearing protective while causing instability to plunder resources. Traore is only the first to openly speak about this in Africa; soon there will be many.

Edited June 10 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

For example - 1 bed London apartment in a centralish but not prime location is about £1.8k excluding bills

That's crazy. What's your opinion on GB future? It's a very complex country, with ramifications all over the world, which has been very predatory in the past. I've recently seen several documentaries of a British guy, Adam Curtis, do you know him? Very interesting