Don't tell me that this insane approach actually works on girls

[Princess Arabia]

13 minutes ago, AION said:

What women want is a mystery

No, that's what men want. We don't care about your mysterious self, just come direct.

[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, Raze said:

The highest level of game is shifting your approach toward the women based on predicting what she likes and getting her to chase you.

You want a pickmeisha. Lol. Poor woman, chasing a dog. She'll catch you and you'll be like next. BTW, not calling you a dog. Figure of speech.

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[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Raze said:

based on predicting what she likes

Way too much effort and thinking.

You should not care what she likes. Just be you. If she doesn't like you, good riddance. That's her problem.

You think women care what you like? Haha!

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[Princess Arabia]

Guys, if it's just about sex, listen to Leo, if it's about a relationship, don't. You'll be lost and confused. Women love that you care about what she likes, it shows you care about her as long as you're not kissing her ass. Here he comes, I'm not listening. I don't care what you like. Lol

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[AION]

38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not a mystery at all. But you shouldn't be running around trying to micro-target their wants.

Just be playful and flirt. It's not about trying to be someone special to suit her.

You basically see a girl you like and then you play with her from approach to your bed. And you never waste a single second thinking about whether you're good enough for her or any such logical crap.

If she's not into it you just pick another girl and try again.

My main point was to drop the mental gymnastics what women want. I’ve studied men in the night club and what makes them successful and this was my conclusion: dropping mental gymnastics and just being a man (which means leading, playing, etc). What every girl wants is a different so in that sense it is a mystery, something to find out and be fascinated about through direct exp and not through mental gymnastics from a safe distance. A lot of guys see girls as an enigma they can’t solve. With that attitude she is not going to work with you. 

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[AION]

21 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Guys, if it's just about sex, listen to Leo, if it's about a relationship, don't. You'll be lost and confused. Women love that you care about what she likes, it shows you care about her as long as you're not kissing her ass. Here he comes, I'm not listening. I don't care what you like. Lol

His game is optimized for Las Vegas.  That city is a bubble of its own. I know a guy who came from there to Europe where I live and he told me he was getting laid in the US all the time but he couldn’t get laid in Europe once. That guy had the best game I have ever seen but he was tooting the wrong horn. I have seen the girls responses to him.  And he poor guy stayed 6 months here. US has a very casual hook up culture which other places don’t have in the same way. 

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[Leo Gura]

56 minutes ago, AION said:

His game is optimized for Las Vegas.  That city is a bubble of its own.

Play works everywhere.

You can even play with a dog. Give it a try sometimes. And notice that when you play with a dog you are not thinking about whether you are good enough for the dog and how to change yourself to make the dog like you more.

Should I wear red shoes or blue shoes? Which color does the dog like more? Should I tell the dog this joke, or that joke? Maybe if I work out at the gym and take some supplements the dog will like me more. What should I say to the dog to get it to like me?

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[Kid A]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Way too much effort and thinking.

You should not care what she likes. Just be you. If she doesn't like you, good riddance. That's her problem.

You think women care what you like? Haha!

Couldn't agree more.

I find the majority of advice in this area quite absurd. It's so focused on you acting as cool as possible. Isn't there an almost sacred rule that the cooler you try to be, the less cool you become?

The only thing that's ever worked for me is being myself. If I go on a date with some agenda that I should behave in a certain way, it will be a failed date at least nine times out of ten.

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Play works everywhere.

You can even play with a dog. Give it a try sometimes. And notice that when you play with a dog you are not thinking about whether you are good enough for the dog and how to change yourself to make the dog like you more.

Should I wear red shoes or blue shoes? Which color does the dog like more? Should I tell the dog this joke, or that joke? Maybe if I work out at the gym and take some supplements the dog will like me more. What should I say to the dog to get it to like me?

Lol, you made me choke reading this. 😅😅

[Princess Arabia]

6 hours ago, AION said:

something to find out and be fascinated about

Women aren't looking to be fascinated with men. You seem to be describing the emotions that some men respond to when they see a woman at times. Fascination and mystery doesn't tickle a woman in this way especially to want to be with you intimately. You're describing a toy or a present. She wants to feel spontaneous, raw and direct emotions not anything that puts her in the future. "To find out" is future. The only thing she wants to find out is what she's presently feeling, how you're making her feel now, not how you will make her feel. I have a feeling you're thinking women respond in this way like how you respond. No, it's different. Men are more logical, women more emotional. Emotions are felt in the present. Think of it this way.

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[AION]

@Princess Arabia I was talking about the male POV so we are on the same page. 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, AION said:

@Princess Arabia I was talking about the male POV so we are on the same page. 

Ok.

[AION]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Ok.

Women can be captivated about mystery too. If they figure a guy out it is usually over unless she really loves him. All those romantic novels and shit. Guys ain’t reading that. We aren’t usually fascinated about her work or hobby’s lmao. I’m also not the typical guy I guess. Last week I met a girl through a hobby and I’m more fascinated about her beauty and what it says about me. 

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[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, AION said:

Last week I met a girl through a hobby and I’m more fascinated about her beauty

That's what I was referring to when I said that. Before I even read this part, I was going to comment this when you said men aren't fascinated........ - then you said it. Men are fascinated with a woman's beauty, women aren't fascinated with a man's personality and charm which is what is used to tickle her fancy. If she feels fascinated, you're in the friend zone and being admired that way, not to make her moan and groan. She's fascinated with her cat's or dogs tricks. It may work if you're a magician doing tricks or if you're displaying some type of talent, not just by your presence.

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[something_else]

@Princess Arabia Women enjoy interesting men, there is no doubt about that. A big part of being interesting is having some depth/intrigue about you.

Men who find a healthy balance between being open + direct and interesting + mysterious are usually the ideal. Obviously it depends on the woman but in general I find that tends to hold true.

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, something_else said:

Women enjoy interesting men, there is no doubt about that. A big part of being interesting is having some depth/intrigue about you.

I'm speaking more on the initial attraction level. Of course, we love interested men but that's usually much later on and after the attraction phase. The word enjoy implies on an ongoing level which suggests she's already invested time into getting to know you and is now enjoying the decision she made. I'm speaking more on what it takes for her to even get to the enjoyment phase. I guess it's more of a choice of words and fascination just doesn't cut it for what it takes for a woman to feel romantically inclined.

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[AION]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's what I was referring to when I said that. Before I even read this part, I was going to comment this when you said men aren't fascinated........ - then you said it. Men are fascinated with a woman's beauty, women aren't fascinated with a man's personality and charm which is what is used to tickle her fancy. If she feels fascinated, you're in the friend zone and being admired that way, not to make her moan and groan. She's fascinated with her cat's or dogs tricks. It may work if you're a magician doing tricks or if you're displaying some type of talent, not just by your presence.

Huh

So I get men’s deal about fascination of beauty. What is women’s deal?

You are kind of contradicting yourself. 

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[something_else]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm speaking more on the initial attraction level. Of course, we love interested men but that's usually much later on and after the attraction phase. The word enjoy implies on an ongoing level which suggests she's already invested time into getting to know you and is now enjoying the decision she made. I'm speaking more on what it takes for her to even get to the enjoyment phase. I guess it's more of a choice of words and fascination just doesn't cut it for what it takes for a woman to feel romantically inclined.

I think you may be overthinking this

[Princess Arabia]

39 minutes ago, AION said:

Huh

So I get men’s deal about fascination of beauty. What is women’s deal?

You are kind of contradicting yourself. 

Nevermind, I don't know what I'm saying.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, something_else said:

I think you may be overthinking this

Yeah, maybe.