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25 minutes ago, Harikrishnan said:

When you are everything there is no other. You havent awakened to it. Until then this talk is going circles. 

Ok, oh arahat. It Is so cute when people say to finish a debate: you are no awake . 

A question: are you solipsist because the leos video? 

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43 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Yes, just include yourself into this aswell. 

Yes, when I trip I'm constantly like : of fucking course

We're all infinitely deluded, just some more than others ;)


No space, no time, nothing but you/this/here/now

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In case anyone hasn't realized yet, current experience has a beginning; it's a cycle. Your memory starts at one point and ends at another. "Afterward," your experience will be another structure, and then another, ad infinitum. Since "afterward" implies time, and time is relative, all afters and befores unfold in the now, ad infinitum. It's absolutely impossible for it to be any other way.

The experiencer is always the same, the unlimited one, but the you you think you are isn't that; it's the experience. Solipsism is confusing the ego with ultimate reality.

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@Breakingthewall You're imagining past and future now, since now is all there is


No space, no time, nothing but you/this/here/now

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16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ok, oh arahat. It Is so cute when people say to finish a debate: you are no awake . 

A question: are you solipsist because the leos video? 

Yes coz words doesn’t help and its really hard. 
No, I had that awakening when I was tripping on mushroom it was way back in 2018-2019 my sixth trip. I was hearing sadhguru and it suddenly hit me, shit was all happening inside my mind. I don’t know how to really say this, its like my sense of self expand and I realize, sadhguru is created by me, there is no sadhguru outside me. And then close to 80 lsd trips. On one of my lsd trip, after few hours I was having conversation with my mother and I saw her disappear infront of me.
Some trip pointed me towards solipsism, some to animal consciousness, some to other things like being operated by alien. I once had awakening to freedom from concept(that was most free full). But in normal state, I do work like there is another, I dont tell or act like another dont exist, I love people company. 


I will be waiting here, For your silence to break, For your soul to shake,              For your love to wake! Rumi

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6 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Breakingthewall You're imagining past and future now, since now is all there is

Then do you think that all the eternity is going to be in the form of a human that imagine the past and the future, or could be in any moment something different like a rat? If you say yes, where is that rat?

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1 minute ago, Harikrishnan said:

Yes coz words doesn’t help and its really hard. 
No, I had that awakening when I was tripping on mushroom it was way back in 2018-2019 my sixth trip. I was hearing sadhguru and it suddenly hit me, shit was all happening inside my mind. I don’t know how to really say this, its like my sense of self expand and I realize, sadhguru is created by me, there is no sadhguru outside me. And then close to 80 lsd trips. On one of my lsd trip, after few hours I was having conversation with my mother and I saw her disappear infront of me.
Some trip pointed me towards solipsism, some to animal consciousness, some to other things like being operated by alien. I once had awakening to freedom from concept(that was most free full). But in normal state, I do work like there is another, I dont tell or act like another dont exist, I love people company. 

I did a lot of trips where I realized solipsism, over all with 5meo.more than hundred, and all of them are false. Only one realization is true: absence of limits. Anything else is just limits. 

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25 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

We're all infinitely deluded, just some more than others ;)

The quickest way to find the most mistaken one is to look for someone with a smirk of conceit. 

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Imagine for a moment, dear friends, that you are Conciousness, and that you have only this one awareness - that you are at peace, and that you are. 

 

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1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then do you think that all the eternity is going to be in the form of a human that imagine the past and the future

Yes. All there ever is or was or will be, is you reading this. This is it. 


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44 minutes ago, Spiral Wizard said:

I agree with this after my solopsistic experience! 

That's cool. <3 

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Imagine for a moment, dear friends, that you are Conciousness, and that you have only this one awareness - that you are at peace, and that you are. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I did a lot of trips where I realized solipsism, over all with 5meo.more than hundred, and all of them are false. Only one realization is true: absence of limits. Anything else is just limits. 

More than 100 5 meo trip and all of them where false. Oh thats sad. I am happy you got one realization that you think is true. 


I will be waiting here, For your silence to break, For your soul to shake,              For your love to wake! Rumi

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It's difficult to argue with solipsism because it's true in the sense that the world we perceive is an illusion, and there is only one Self. The problem is that the concept creates the impression that the individual self (the ego) is all that exists.

But the ego can be dissolved, sometimes temporarily, sometimes for longer, and when it does, it's as if the personal self never existed. What remains is vast, limitless Being, the Source, which cannot be grasped from within the framework of the individual mind.

If the truth terrifies you, know that this fear is only the ego trying to "understand" what it can never comprehend. The full realization of truth is not terrifying at all. It is so good, so complete, that words can only diminish it.

Enlightenment is incomprehensible to the mind. It is therefore the downfall of the ego, because it renders it irrelevant. When someone claims to have realized God but still operates from a place of superiority or separateness, it’s often just the ego in disguise, trying to play the role of God. From there, it’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking you’ve “got it,” as if awakening were a personal achievement.

According to the solipsistic way of thinking, the illusion of the world would cease once you have fully realized your Self. But here is the problem: even when you're so awake that the world holds no reality for you, the dream may still appear to persist. “Others”, or other parts of your mind still perceiving through the ego and continue to project the dream.

Awakening isn’t personal. It’s shared. No one wakes up alone. Until the entire mind, or all of us, as expressions of the one awareness remembers itself, the dream will seem to continue. Any belief that I am awake while you are not is just another form of separation.

In the end, solipsism is just another ego trick, the idea that you can awaken apart from the whole, and still be whole...

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13 minutes ago, Harikrishnan said:

More than 100 5 meo trip and all of them where false. Oh thats sad. I am happy you got one realization that you think is true. 

It's obvious. They are not "false", they are limited.  realizations with psychedelic are almost always contaminated with limits because they are violence, you aren't ready for breaking the limits but psychedelic do it for you, but you in background are holding the limits. 

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When you are watching a movie, only that movie is being played and not any other. In the movie, you can see the characters as long as they are in the scene. Believing that the characters are experiencing stuff in the scene is part of the story, because the only thing that is being seen is the scene.

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@Breakingthewall  You don't need time just the illusion of it now

What is there to the past but now 

And what about infinite regress 

Now is durationless, in other words : boundless, infinite. Here too 

 


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4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Breakingthewall  You don't need time just the illusion of it now

What is there to the past but now 

And what about infinite regress 

Now is durationless, in other words : boundless, infinite. Here too 

 

It's not boundless, you are a definite form, a human, full of boundaries. In fact you are bounded in infinite directions. You also could be a rat , where are the rats? 

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9 minutes ago, Nemra said:

When you are watching a movie, only that movie is being played and not any other. In the movie, you can see the characters as long as they are in the scene, and the characters experiencing stuff in the scene is part of the story, because the only thing that is being seen is the scene.

That's where infinite screens come observed by the same conciousness. 

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Imagine for a moment, dear friends, that you are Conciousness, and that you have only this one awareness - that you are at peace, and that you are. 

 

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1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not boundless, you are a definite form, a human, full of boundaries. In fact you are bounded in infinite directions. You also could be a rat , where are the rats? 

Do you agree that now is durationless ? Of course 

Now try and imagine that, a dimensionless point. You'll realize it can't have boundaries. And that's infinity


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@Salvijus, it's one screen.

The screen is an analogy for your experience.

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11 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

That's where infinite screens come observed by the same conciousness. 

Conciousness is not who observes, it's the fact of observing. Conciousness means relation, without relation there is no conciousness , and can be relation without conciousness 

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