Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Breakingthewall]

53 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

How can you not see that ? Genuinely curious

How could I see that if I don't exist?

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

By definition there is no room for anything else.

 

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

 

Yes but that doesn't disprove my point 👍 nice try tho

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[Loveeee]

17 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

By definition there is no room for anything else. But there is infinite room for points of self recognition. You're just one of those points. There is nothing stopping conciousness from creating infinite more like you. 

Strictly speaking your current POV is all there ever was or will be, as time is illusory

But even so, what you're talking about still is one POV at a time, still counts as solipsism 

 

 

[Wilhelm44]

7 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Strictly speaking your current POV is all there ever was or will be, as time is illusory

But even so, what you're talking about still is one POV at a time, still counts as solipsism 

 

 

But now ur saying that someone else's POV is not imaginary ?

[Salvijus]

18 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

But even so, what you're talking about still is one POV at a time, still counts as solipsism 

 

No, one unbounded experience experienced from infinite points of view all at the same time, in the eternal here and now. 

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[Water by the River]

39 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Williams meant to say, if solipsism implies that there's only one dreamer. How come he's speaking with two awakened solipsists? Would the real slim shady please stand up? 

Exactly. And conversations between Solipsists & Solipsism aficionados always seem to end a little bit like this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCkerYMffMo

Solipsists in the plural is a contradiction in itself, but hey.... 

 

Selling Water by the (only) River

[Loveeee]

8 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

No, one unbounded experience experienced from infinite points of view all at the same time, in the eternal here and now. 

Experience = POV 

What are you talking about 

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Experience = POV 

What are you talking about 

You can have multiple points of view of the same experience. God is having an experience through you and through me, and through infinite other points of view. 

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[Loveeee]

@Breakingthewall @Wilhelm44 @Water by the River

I'm just pretending, that you're conscious and the one dreamer, come on

[Loveeee]

8 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You can have multiple points of view of the same experience. God is having an experience through you and through me, and through infinite other points of view. 

You don't know that

What you do know is that your POV exists, it's a real "thing", but not a classical finite thing, it has no weight, size, etc. It contains forms but it itself is formless, do you agree ? 

[Salvijus]

6 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

You don't know that

I know that conciousness has to individuate itself at least once to recognize itself. So if it could do it once, I have no reason to assume it can't do it an infinite amount of times aswell. The second option sounds much more of what God would do. One puny experience is too small for God with infinite potential. 

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[Loveeee]

Just now, Salvijus said:

I know that conciousness has to individuate itself at least to recognize itself. So if it could do it once, I have no reason to assume it can't do it an infinite amount of times aswell. 

I'm not in reason/assumption, but observation, almost geometrically, does your POV have a form/shape ? 

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Loveeee said:

I'm not in reason/assumption, but observation, almost geometrically, does your POV have a form/shape ? 

Eexperience is infinite, I already answered that. 

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I'm not in reason/assumption, but observation

The conclusions you make based on observations are not the most reasonable ones tho. 

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[Mellowmarsh]

 

[Wilhelm44]

19 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Breakingthewall @Wilhelm44 @Water by the River

I'm just pretending, that you're conscious and the one dreamer, come on

I am conscious, you dont need to pretend. But it's interesting, in Vedanta they also say there is actually only one Jeeva here.

[Mellowmarsh]

There’s nothing outside the nondual seeing eye. That’s you.

[Loveeee]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Eexperience is infinite, I already answered that. 

I'm talking about your POV, since you make a distinction

Is your POV some kind of bubble, with boundaries ? No 

Therefore ? ....

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I am conscious, you dont need to pretend. But it's interesting, in Vedanta they also say there is actually only one Jeeva here.

Double check with chatgpt. There's not a single spiritual tradition that believes in solipsism.