Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Loveeee]

[Nemra]

58 minutes ago, zurew said:

No im not saying that , I dont talk about anything about "other things experiencing reality" (I dont know whether there are other minds or not)  - what I am saying is, that the absolute only gets you to appearance appearing, but it doesnt help you to make sense of the nature of the appearance and it doesnt help you to make sense of what kind of properties the appearance has or doesnt have.

If you say that appearance is appearing, then you would be able to understand that appearances having appearances inside themselves is a story.

That is what I know right now. Other than that, I don't know a lot of stuff that is being talked about.

Edited Wednesday at 12:16 PM by Nemra

[Salvijus]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Go into your toilet and notice, the only one who exists in your toilet is you. That's it. Nothing else. Everyone else is a fiction.

You could also conclude that the earth is flat with such a method of investigation. 

Edited Wednesday at 11:35 AM by Salvijus

[Loveeee]

As I said, experience is a real thing but not a classical finite thing, it's formless, shapeless. There can't be two of those 

How can you not see that ? Genuinely curious 

[Loveeee]

I say experience to point to THIS raw direct experience, if I say consciousness some will imagine some bs conceptual stuff 

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

As I said, experience is a real thing but not a classical finite thing, it's formless, shapeless. There can't be two of those 

How can you not see that ? Genuinely curious 

If experience can end, then it's not infinite. 

[Loveeee]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

If experience can end, then it's not infinite. 

I'm talking about what is, there is no "end"

So 

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I'm talking about what is, there is no "end"

So 

There is nothing stopping the what is to recognize itself in multiple locations. This insistence that what is can only recognize itself once in a single location is ungrounded assumption. 

Edited Wednesday at 11:50 AM by Salvijus

[Loveeee]

6 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Two implies division where non exists. There is no you and I experiencing each other, its the same thing. There is just this. You are defining the separation.

Its a paradox, because the logical mind wants to identify and frame. But you can hold that paradox if you want to by acceptance or surrender of the ego. The universal mind (for want of a better word) doesn't need that logical framing or labels, it just simply is.

What I'm saying is there can't be anything outside your "bubble of consciousness" because it's unbounded, it has no size or shape, it's not a bubble 

[BlueOak]

1 minute ago, Loveeee said:

What I'm saying is there can't be anything outside your "bubble of consciousness" because it's unbounded, it has no size or shape, it's not a bubble 

I know I misread my apologies. I deleted it but not fast enough  I should be working, and i'm splitting my attention, it was an engaging chat though.

[Salvijus]

If what is can recognize itself once by individuating itself into you, then it can recognize itself infinite amount of times by individuating itself into infinite entities. And that's what is happening right now. Why? Because God is all about glory, and infinite recognition is much more glorious than a single puny recognition that is manifesting through you alone. It's incredible arrogance to believe your puny experience of life is the limit of God's greatness. 

Edited Wednesday at 11:58 AM by Salvijus

[Loveeee]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

There is nothing stopping the what is to recognize itself in multiple locations. This insistence that what is can only recognize itself once in a single location is ungrounded assumption. 

Do you agree "your" "experience" is formless/shapeless ? 

[Salvijus]

Just now, Loveeee said:

Do you agree "your" "experience" is formless/shapeless ? 

From a certain point of view I can agree with this. 

[Loveeee]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

From a certain point of view I can agree with this. 

Do you agree that by definition it is therefore unbounded ? 

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Do you agree that by definition it is therefore unbounded ? 

Yes

[Loveeee]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Yes

Do you agree that by definition, there is no room for anything else ?

[Wilhelm44]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The proof is that it's only in your mind right now.

Your mind IS the universe. If your mind dies, that's the universe.

But is the universe not held within Consciousness ? And Consciousness can't die.

Is the universe not eternal and infinite ?

Edited Wednesday at 12:14 PM by Wilhelm44

[Salvijus]

12 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Do you agree that by definition, there is no room for anything else ?

Yes. But that doesn't imply that there is only sole recognizer of experience. There could be infinite individuated points in conciousness where unbounded experience is being recognized. If conciousness was able to do it once, what is stopping it from doing it infinite amount of times? 

Edited Wednesday at 12:20 PM by Salvijus

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

Experience is unbounded, yes. But that doesn't imply that there is only sole recognizer of experience. There could be infinite individuated points in conciousness where unbounded experience is being recognized. 

Wait up, we agreed that THIS ("your" "experience") is unbounded 

By definition, is there any room for anything else ? 

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Wait up, we agreed that THIS ("your" "experience") is unbounded 

By definition, is there any room for anything else ? 

By definition there is no room for anything else. But there is infinite room for points of self recognition. You're just one of those points. There is nothing stopping conciousness from creating infinite more like you. 

Edited Wednesday at 12:28 PM by Salvijus