What is your basic epistemology?

[Anton Rogachevski]

Just now, Oppositionless said:

Consciousness / sensation in the present moment. That's all there is. That's god , but I have little experience in the domain of God consciousness . I assume there's a kind of God bigger than what I've experienced .

Is God hidden?

[Oppositionless]

Just now, Anton Rogachevski said:

Is God hidden?

No God isn't hidden I just haven't developed my consciousness to the level to appreciate it .

[LastThursday]

6 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

10 hours ago, LastThursday said:

. Logic constructs truth from truth.

Interesting thought, but it's a paradox. If you had truth why would you need to construct it again?

Because its truths not Truth. I was in a poetic mood when I wrote that.

Logic relates one set of truths to another set.  If I say "God is love" then I'm relating the truth of whatever "God" stands for with the truth of what "love" stands for. Mathematics does the same, relating proofs and derivations to a set of axioms (self evident truths). But, whether we should relate one thing to another is a different question. Logic is a stripped down model of reality at best.

[Anton Rogachevski]

@LastThursday Thank you, this is profound!

God is love is not two things but one isn't it?

God=love=reality 

I think that logic is the grammer of the way the brain is figuring things out.

Edited May 12 by Anton Rogachevski

[LastThursday]

@Anton Rogachevski logic is just a specialised outgrowth of language, and we use language as a glue to relate to one another. You're right in that we have to figure out a lot of things just to stay alive, whether this is done consciously or unconsciously. Logic and language is just the conscious part of that process, which we can co-opt for non-survival purposes.

[Anton Rogachevski]

@LastThursday

What are some non-survival purposes?

[Sugarcoat]

I feel I can know things on relative level which is based on direct awareness, direct experience, in particular something about myself 

[LastThursday]

1 hour ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

God is love is not two things but one isn't it?

God=love=reality 

My agnostic answer is that the above is just a relational equivalence between words: i.e. it is a statement using logic. To say "two things are one", "this is the same as that", and all those sorts of relational statements is just logic. Logic shouldn't be confused with actuality. It could be that in actuality the thing pointed to by the word "God" is the same as the thing pointed to by the word "Love". But you should be clear that "God=love" is a construct of language, not the thing itself. It could well be that in actuality God does not equal Love, but you can't "know" that with logic.

At its basic level you can't make something true by stating it as fact (using language).

55 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

What are some non-survival purposes?

Language and by extension logic, is ridiculously powerful. And the thing behind language (brains) are also super powerful. Our abilities have overflowed our survival needs - that's why we can subjugate nature and create cities. We are free to use language for things that aren't connected to survival - spirituality for one, but also story telling and imagination. Although, it is very difficult to disentangle survival from non-survival. Lots of the things we do seem to not be connected to survival on the surface, but when you drill down they are. Spirituality for example could encourage group cohesion and hence improve survival.

[Anton Rogachevski]

1 hour ago, LastThursday said:

Spirituality for example could encourage group cohesion and hence improve survival.

Yep

"At its basic level you can't make something true by stating it as fact (using language)."

Of course not.

Edited May 12 by Anton Rogachevski

[Yimpa]

On 5/11/2025 at 10:11 PM, Anton Rogachevski said:

@Yimpa Finding true things that offend?