A gentle request for people posting on this subforum

[Peo]

2 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

There is joy in the negative. Especially in the good, but we must learn to embrace the suffering as an inseperable aspect of life. There is beauty to suffering, pain and loss

True, but only to certain degrees. Too much suffering would be bad. 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Hell exists and is possible to access. Just take some datura seeds and you'll see for yourself

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, ExploringReality said:

There is joy in the negative. Especially in the good, but we must learn to embrace the suffering as an inseperable aspect of life. There is beauty to suffering, pain and loss. 

There's also pain in happiness. That's what lots fail to see. If what you've said is true, and I somewhat agree (I see it as independent on it own, but nevertheless), then it's opposite must also be the case where there is suffering in joy, yes when it stops and it becomes a loss.

[ExploringReality]

@Peo  yes as long as your identity is contingent on the physical body and mind. Try looking at it from an existential point of view independent of the human species.

[ExploringReality]

@Princess Arabia  that is because impermanence is the flowing river of reality. There is suffering in joy, that's what makes it human. That's what makes you appreciate an ice cream, because it will melt. That's what makes human sexuality and love so beautiful because it will pass

But you can glimpse a transcendental love in the midst of pain and pleasure.

Edited Thursday at 10:53 PM by ExploringReality

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, ExploringReality said:

@Princess Arabia  that is because impermanence is the flowing river of reality. There is suffering in joy, that's what makes it human. That's what makes you appreciate an ice cream, because it will melt. That's what makes human sexuality and love so beautiful because it will pass

Ok

[Aaron p]

I'm insane about god ♥️ don't mean it in a harmful way

[Peo]

11 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's also pain in happiness. That's what lots fail to see.

Exactly what i experience on high dose of shrooms. During that time i experience so much physical discomfort and pain, while at the same time extremely happy and filled with so much love it hurts. It was difficult for me to tell the difference between pain and happiness while triping.

[ExploringReality]

@Princess Arabia  I am seriously curious. With my deepest sincerity, why do you say I want to control and dominate? What do you see in me that I may not see in myself? Maybe I do want to control and dominate. I'm curious to get a perspective from you, for it may be of value on my own self reflection. 🪞 

[Princess Arabia]

13 minutes ago, Peo said:

Exactly what i experience on high dose of shrooms. During that time i experience so much physical discomfort and pain, while at the same time extremely happy and filled with so much love it hurts. It was difficult for me to tell the difference between pain and happiness while triping.

After awhile life will start to teach you things if you're willing to listen and observe. Nice to see this was revealed during a shroom trip, for me it was my own happiness experiences and the realization after the fact what was hidden underneath that that I couldn't see at the time but in retrospect. Just about every one of those happiness experiences because I only felt the mental pain because the happiness was gone. If I didn't know what happiness felt like neither would I with pain. It would just be there without a label and I wouldn't suffer because of it because I wouldn't know the difference. It would just be a felt sensation with no thought of i'm suffering attached.

Edited Thursday at 11:20 PM by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

18 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

@Princess Arabia  I am seriously curious. With my deepest sincerity, why do you say I want to control and dominate? What do you see in me that I may not see in myself? Maybe I do want to control and dominate. I'm curious to get a perspective from you, for it may be of value on my own self reflection. 🪞 

I didn't see it in you, I saw it in the statements you wrote. Don't be too concerned about it, it's passed and it's the dwelling on it that'll be the problem, not the actual situation itself that's passing.

[Someone here]

46 minutes ago, Peo said:

True, but the happiness and the good memories can also outweigh the pain and suffering in life too.

 

They are actually equal . Just as you did study in chemistry in school that in any chemical reaction the number of atoms in must equal the numbers of atoms out . So there is perfect balance and harmony in the universe. 

[Someone here]

41 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Hell exists and is possible to access. Just take some datura seeds and you'll see for yourself

Then hell exists if you take datura seeds .what about if nobody took datura seed? 

Besides..I'm digging deeper here ..my question is why people are wondering if hell exists and not wondering if eternal happiness and peace exists ? To me it makes no sense .you should be searching for happiness not for suffering. Am I wrong here ?

[Oppositionless]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Why are you endlessly wandering about hell realms and this and that imagined fantasy of the unknown..?

Because I have the Christian mind virus and want help deconstructing it. Because I haven't reached Yellow and so struggle to distinguish between low vs high perspectives, waffling in the stage Green flat hierarchy where every belief is equally valid.

[Peo]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

eternal happiness and peace exists ?

But thats an illusion. Happiness can not last forever, it comes and goes just like the wind. 

[Princess Arabia]

Searching for happiness means you're suffering and unhappy. Trying to hold on to happiness is insanity.

Edited Thursday at 11:44 PM by Princess Arabia

[ExploringReality]

@Princess Arabia

Namaste. 

[ExploringReality]

When you let go of trying to control, hold onto reality, it slips through your fingers and escapes your grasp. Like fighting water, just swim with it. There is nothing to hold onto, nothing to let go of. It's achieved for you on that sense. Death is the end of trying to grab, it is the release, Nirvana, to blow out instead of just sucking in. But when you let go, it comes back without your having to control, and that is salvation.

[Someone here]

16 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

Because I have the Christian mind virus and want help deconstructing it. 

Easy .Jesus never even existed. Close your eyes ..think "Jesus". Now open your eyes ..where is "Jesus "? He only exists as a phantom of imagination in your mind .Leo has a great episode called "what is Actuality?". Check it out .

15 minutes ago, Peo said:

But thats an illusion. Happiness can not last forever, it comes and goes just like the wind. 

Don't be so sure about that .maybe since God is Love that our ultimate destination in existence is eternal happiness. In fact for People who gave actually awoken..its not a " maybe " for them ..its undoubtedly true . I know an enlightened guy who runs a forum similar to this forum who told me after all of it ..you will end up in infinite never ending unchanging bliss .

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

Just stop posting about hell and insanity and god knows what else .why not post about goodness ..love ..happiness..heaven? 

Why are you endlessly wandering about hell realms and this and that imagined fantasy of the unknown..?

Truth is we don't know. Start here. Don't speculate about "well since existence is infinity then it follows logically that hell exists and square-triangles 🔽 exist"

It's not that. It isn't that because that doesn't exist. That imagined future state does not and cannot exist. And it would be unimaginably terrible if anything remotely like it could and did exist. It would be a state so incredibly painful and evil that it is worse than any death one can imagine.

Buddhist's goal is called Nirvana.  Nirvana is simply  a death without rebirth. It would be a lifeless nothingness so extreme that nothing could come out of it ever again . And that awful absurd lifelessness is what some people desperately do their best to imagine when they imagine a heaven..aren't they ? Do you enjoy anything more than a nice deep sleep ?

"Heaven" is to wake up every day..look around at your world..and honestly say "When I think about heaven.. I imagine THIS" that is inner peace. That is true happiness. That is nirvana. That is heaven. It is to be in heaven and know it's heaven.

 

 

Just my personal thoughts:

I think the general experience of the forum users - and society at large - is negative. 

Due to this there are more people anxious to explore the negativity in an attempt to understand and sooth themselves.

There is much more to explore in the higher realms.

I am really hoping others get to the point I have, myself, reached. A point that is beautiful. Explores positivity, unity, communion. 

You become obsessed with this new, greater & expanded reality 

I think the obsession with the darkness is a result of the need to move through it. I have experienced this also, far more so than the positivity I have reached now.