What is state according to Leo Gura?

[PolyPeter]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

how do you perceive them as a subjective experience at the same time

huh? can you rephrase?

[Hojo]

@PolyPeter You are saying you love one state more and deeming it of less value both states are good to God. And I wasnt even asking that.

Edited May 8 by Hojo

[Hojo]

@PolyPeter Leo says there is a higher and lower state from a state that claims its the only state that exists. Then is making comparisons about which states are higher or lower while not being infinite he cant have any idea. Its like saying Im this much sweet in the duality between salt and sweet. You really only have reflections of states that would mean consciousness dosent have states.

Edited May 8 by Hojo

[gengar]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Your experience is Absolute Truth.

Yes, but simulation theory is probably still true, because the argument is sound; namely that any Universe has the power and intelligence to create a new reality, and therefore, according to Murphy's law, since we have infinite time, intelligence and space, we are always inside an infinite chain of realities, whether simulated, or our universe is inside a black hole of another universe, etc.

Those "background realities" don't actually exist, since all that exists is the foreground, however the illusion of the Universe, which is all that the universe is, is just one universe in an infinite Russian doll of background universes. This fact simply follows out of the logic that reality is infinite. if you somehow escape this current universe, you will always reach a new universe.

This logic of simulation theory is actually correct; however it doesn't explain reality itself, since all that reality is is of course the absolute. but the illusion of an infinite Russian doll chain of universes has to be there, because there is no reason that it is not.

Maybe I'm not saying anything here, but I have a feeling it is, since it follows out of the logic of an infinite illusion. any universe has infinite intelligence > which will create another infinite illusion inside of it, forever repeating this process. Like I said the logic of simulation theory is actually correct, the error is just that it doesn't actually have to do with the nature of reality but only with the nature of the illusion.

[PolyPeter]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@PolyPeter You are saying you love one state more and deeming it of less value both states are good to God. And I wasnt even asking that.

I never even mentioned value.

Limited perspective is limited perspective. 
Survival is survival.

Your mind is in survival mode trying to defend the lack of understanding of Love. 

Love is not just a romantic thing. 
Love is the very fabric of existence. and when you don't recognize this, you become super skeptical, but not enough. 
you can be skeptic of your own skepticism too.

Where love is expressed the most, that's where the perspective gets a higher degree.

[PolyPeter]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

from a state that claims its the only state that exists.

it is perfectly fine if that only state that exists is actual and absolute infinity. 
but you have to awaken to infinity to understand this.

Edited May 8 by PolyPeter

[Hojo]

@PolyPeter You stating one instance of a child growing up as a lower state and one is a higher is showing your lack of love.

Thats what I am saying. You are saying one is more loving God loves everyone equally theres no such lower or higher.

If you were in the infinite state you wouldnt even be able to function. I am saying using your human body to say this or type this is logically flawed if you are a human you cant function while being infinite. Only God can deem a higher or lower state and it wouldnt because thats like saying its toe is a lower state than its hand. It could trim its fingernails and they are not more valuable than its toes because they are lower on its body.

With this logic the child shitty life(the toe) can be more valuable than its higher states(fingernails) and to say they are higher or lower from a perspective is not right.

Edited May 8 by Hojo

[PolyPeter]

44 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@PolyPeter You stating one instance of a child growing up as a lower state and one is a higher is showing your lack of love.

Thats what I am saying. You are saying one is more loving God loves everyone equally theres no such lower or higher.

If you were in the infinite state you wouldnt even be able to function. I am saying using your human body to say this or type this is logically flawed if you are a human you cant function while being infinite. Only God can deem a higher or lower state and it wouldnt because thats like saying its toe is a lower state than its hand. It could trim its fingernails and they are not more valuable than its toes because they are lower on its body.

With this logic the child shitty life(the toe) can be more valuable than its higher states(fingernails) and to say they are higher or lower from a perspective is not right.

 

[UnbornTao]

It does seem like perceptive organs, or some such, are a prerequisite for perception to occur. I wouldn't call it infinite. (I'm trying to appear humble). 

[Hojo]

@PolyPeter Why dont you speak in your own words?

[Osaid]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

It does seem like perceptive organs, or some such, are a prerequisite for perception to occur. 

You'd have to perceive that.

[PolyPeter]

Just now, Hojo said:

@PolyPeter Why dont you speak in your own words?

You are fooling yourself if you think the words you say are yours

[PolyPeter]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@PolyPeter Why dont you speak in your own words?

did you even watch the video? 

[Hojo]

@PolyPeter I already saw it before it dosent have anything to do with the question.

[PolyPeter]

Just now, Hojo said:

@PolyPeter I already saw it before it dosent have anything to do with the question.

ok

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Osaid But you do experience various degrees and states of consciousness throughout your daily life. You are not as conscious when you are sleeping as when you're awake.

Isn't peak consciousness just is sooo much consciousness that it turns into unconsciousness? Which makes sleep the highest experience? 

Absolute Existence =Absolute Nothingness .

[UnbornTao]

22 minutes ago, Osaid said:

You'd have to perceive that.

Perceive what?

You just wouldn't know what you are not perceiving, it seems to me. For example humans can't hear sounds outside a certain frequency range. A blind person simply doesn't have the faculty of sight -- it's not that she perceives the absence of this perceptive faculty. In her mind, there's no context in which to accurately represent or conceive of the existence of sight.

Edited May 8 by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Isn't peak consciousness just is sooo much consciousness that it turns into unconsciousness? Which makes sleep the highest experience? 

No

[PolyPeter]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Isn't peak consciousness just is sooo much consciousness that it turns into unconsciousness? Which makes sleep the highest experience? 

Absolute Existence =Absolute Nothingness .

I think Leo is saying is that consciousness varies in degree — it's like a dimmer switch, not an on-off button. Sleep is a state of reduced consciousness, not heightened or transcendent consciousness. Being in deep sleep is the absence of awareness, not a peak form of it.

Peak consciousness, on the other hand, means being fully present, highly aware, and deeply connected, such as during moments of enlightenment, intense focus, or deep meditation. That’s a state where your awareness expands, not vanishes.

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

I think Leo is saying is that consciousness varies in degree — it's like a dimmer switch, not an on-off button. Sleep is a state of reduced consciousness, not heightened or transcendent consciousness. Being in deep sleep is the absence of awareness, not a peak form of it.

Peak consciousness, on the other hand, means being fully present, highly aware, and deeply connected, such as during moments of enlightenment, intense focus, or deep meditation. That’s a state where your awareness expands, not vanishes.

Before listening to Leo's content and him saying that consciousness is everything..didn't you (like 99% of people) thought of sleep(deep sleep ) as unconsciousness?