What is state according to Leo Gura?

[Hojo]

@PolyPeter Once upon a time there was a void of nothing it didnt know it existed and then randomly it woke up and said what am I it looked around and then discovered it has a mind and that it created a simulation in its own mind 133 trillion years ago and it beat it then it went to sleep and forgot it created the simulation.

It creates it with its imagination.

One day when i was 20 I drank too much beer smoked an unknown substance and entered a void I was staring at the void for what seemed like 13 months. When I woke up I didnt know what happened I ignored it but entered a deep state of depression. For 8 years I just drank and slept and stared. Then I was going to kill myself and decided to try mushroom cause I heard they will heal people. I eat it and a voice in my head told me to remeber what happened 8 years ago. I remembered the void and then the void told me that its still here right now and that I am still in it.

The void has nothing better to do but construct things and play with them.

Edited May 7 by Hojo

[PolyPeter]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Dream

"But Leo, the dream I had last night was loosey goosey!
this reality right now feels real, and no crazy things are happening"

This is the first thing that people tell me when I tell them reality is like a dream. Even though I know it is, I would love to know what could be a good reply to this.

[Osaid]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Lower consciousness does not contradict higher consciousness any more than dark contradicts light.

Dark would be other than light, hence the distinction.

Lower consciousness would be other than higher consciousness, hence the distinction, which implies that there is something other than consciousness. But you've never been conscious of that.

[Yimpa]

                                             Osaid vs. Gura

[PolyPeter]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@PolyPeter Once upon a time there was a void of nothing it didnt know it existed and then randomly it woke up and said what am I it looked around and then discovered it has a mind and that it created a simulation in its own mind 133 trillion years ago and it beat it then it went to sleep and forgot it created the simulation.

It creates it with its imagination.

One day when i was 20 I drank too much beer smoked an unknown substance and entered a void I was staring at the void for what seemed like 13 months. When I woke up I didnt know what happened I ignored it but entered a deep state of depression. For 8 years I just drank and slept and stared. Then I was going to kill myself and decided to try mushroom cause I heard they will heal people. I eat it and a voice in my head told me to remeber what happened 8 years ago. I remembered the void and then the void told me that its still here right now and that I am still in it.

Ohh...

[Soul_Guy]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Simulation is the wrong word. Don't use that word. Because simulation means a copy or a model of a higher reality. But Consciousness/Being has no higher reality and it is not a copy or model of anything else.

Being is not a simulation. Being is Being.

This was my issue with your "reality is not a simulation" video. My understanding of what you're saying is that the essence of absolute reality is not a simulation - which I agree with. But when people are saying that this reality is a simulation, they're not necessarily talking about absolute reality. If we are talking on a relative level, isn't it possible that we are in a simulation?

[PolyPeter]

5 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Dark would be other than light, hence the distinction.

Lower consciousness would be other than higher consciousness, hence the distinction, which implies that there is something other than consciousness. But you've never been conscious of that.

But in the limit, both higher and lower consciousness would be part of the same infinite consciousness. 

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

"But Leo, the dream I had last night was loosey goosey!
this reality right now feels real, and no crazy things are happening"

This is the first thing that people tell me when I tell them reality is like a dream. Even though I know it is, I would love to know what could be a good reply to this.

There can be loose dreams and rigid dreams.

Just because it's rigid doesn't mean it's not a dream.

A dream can be as rigid as a brick wall.

Just because H2O goes from gas to a block of ice does not change the fact that it's the same H20.

[Hojo]

@Soul_Guy Yes What other level are we talking about? From this perspective its a simulation. Everything moves around like clockwork that dosent happen in dreams. There are several questions that arise when you say its a dream why cant I fly. If you say its a simulation its already taken care of.

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[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Soul_Guy said:

This was my issue with your "reality is not a simulation" video. My understanding of what you're saying is that the essence of absolute reality is not a simulation - which I agree with. But when people are saying that this reality is a simulation, they're not necessarily talking about absolute reality. If we are talking on a relative level, isn't it possible that we are in a simulation?

Your experience is Absolute Truth.

[Yimpa]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A dream can be as rigid as a brick wall.

On 5/4/2025 at 10:42 AM, Princess Arabia said:

Lol. This shit can go on for infinity. Do you see it...it never ends...

7 minutes ago, Emerald said:

The trans people are coming to trans your kids and sneaking into women's bathrooms! Trans people are a sign of the decline of Western Civilization!!!!!

On 5/4/2025 at 11:10 AM, Yimpa said:

@Breakingthewall

 

Edited May 7 by Yimpa

[Osaid]

2 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

But in the limit, both higher and lower consciousness would be part of the same infinite consciousness. 

Consciousness doesn't go higher or lower than itself, because it's just itself. That would require something other than itself (to be higher or lower than it), and at that point the consciousness you describe would be limited, not infinite.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Dark would be other than light, hence the distinction.

No, they are not other.

You never see infinite brightness. All the light you see is some degree between zero light (dark) and infinite light.

Blink your eyes and you will see degrees of light.

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Lower consciousness would be other than higher consciousness, hence the distinction, which implies that there is something other than consciousness.

No such thing is implied. Low consciousness is still consciousness, as low light is still light.

You are confusing yourself with your own strange framings.

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[PolyPeter]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There can be loose dreams and rigid dreams.

Just because it's rigid doesn't mean it's not a dream.

A dream can be as rigid as a brick wall.

Just because H2O goes from gas to a block of ice does not change the fact that it's the same H20.

Furthermore, You can dream that you are in reality and that you are not dreaming that you are in reality.
Also, you can imagine that in this reality, you go to sleep, have a crazy dream, wake up, and live an entire life. Only to, at some point, realize that you can also remember that you were dreaming it up all along.

[Osaid]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No such thing is implied.

You are confusing yourself with your own strange framings.

In order for there to be a distinction, it has to be against something other than itself. That's how all distinctions work. You are making a distinction between higher and lower consciousness. A table is only a table because it isn't a lamp.

If there is only higher consciousness, then there isn't lower consciousness.

If there is only lower consciousness, then there isn't higher consciousness.

You can only make the distinction (between higher and lower consciousness) because you've pitted consciousness against itself as if it is other than itself.

Edited May 7 by Osaid

[Hojo]

8:24

we already have dream simulations.

[PolyPeter]

3 minutes ago, Osaid said:

In order for there to be a distinction, it has to be against something other than itself. That's how all distinctions work. You are making a distinction between higher and lower consciousness. A table is only a table because it isn't a lamp.

If there is only higher consciousness, then there isn't lower consciousness.

If there is only lower consciousness, then there isn't higher consciousness.

You can only make the distinction (between higher and lower consciousness) because you've pitted consciousness against itself as if it is other than itself.

There is what it Appears to be, and there is what it Actually is. When you make the distinction between them two, it does not make BOTH of them actually real.

Maybe you are confusing concepts in your mind and truth itself.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Osaid said:

You are making a distinction between higher and lower consciousness.

Yes!

God makes distinctions.

You are treating distinctions like they are some evil thing.

[Osaid]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

God makes distinctions.

Only by pointing at what it isn't. "Evil" is also a distinction. It's not really about good and evil, as that would be more distinguishing.

It's just about seeing that the nature of distinctions is such that it's never actually being. It's precisely what isn't. It's like the word "non-existence". 

[Leo Gura]

@Osaid But you do experience various degrees and states of consciousness throughout your daily life. You are not as conscious when you are sleeping as when you're awake.