I can't be sure about truth

[Mixcoatl]

I remember that in my last Bufo trips, somewhere after the peak, this phrase would arise:

"This is the Truth!"

But then I wonder...
Who was saying that?
There was no "me" left.
So why did words appear at all?
Why did that declaration —so absolute, so final— emerge from the silence?

And now, from this sober state,
I can’t say the same.
I barely remember what happened there.
Just fragments.
Just echoes.

But something inside me was scorched by that fire.
And even if I can’t hold it in words,
I can’t pretend I was never there.

[Yimpa]

Priming the pump

[Mixcoatl]

10 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Priming the pump

So you mean taking an extra dosage?

[Yimpa]

Go.....
 

GOD......... 
 

GOOD!

[Sugarcoat]

This is interesting 

If sense of self isn’t there, who would be able to recognize “this is the truth”? Are you sure you had zero self there?

[Yimpa]

44 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

If sense of self isn’t there, who would be able to recognize “this is the truth”?

Look above.

And below 

44 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Are you sure you had zero self there?

It's not that your mind shuts down and there's nothing there. Mind expands and SELF-AWAKENESS increases.

Edited April 30 by Yimpa

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Look above.

It's not that your mind shuts down and there's nothing there. Mind expands and SELF-AWAKENESS increases.

Maybe the brain is there to recognize difference

[Judy2]

"I can't be sure about [the Truth]"

> the "i", i.e. the finite self that "knows" or "doubts", that can't be sure about the Truth, is Truth. (not in the sense that its existence as a separate entity is true in the ultimate sense, but it is what appears) That's what Leo means when he says you can't know the Truth, but you can understand = be = become it.

 

There's no need to get hung up on the presence or absence of words. You can wake up to Absolute Infinity and then write about that realisation like crazy, and have the literal word "Infinity." written out on paper....but what's so crazy is when you see that you are literally inside it (so to speak) and actual infinity is sitting right underneath that label, stretching out underneath it on the very piece of paper you wrote it on, and including the letters and the ink that hold the symbol, everything... What's frustrating and absolutely beautiful about Awakening is that when you try to talk about it, you suddenly find yourself using all the same words that you heard other people use...but they suddenly mean something completely new to You, and are simultaneously frustratingly insufficient at getting at the essence you want to point to, because again, the pointer is, and will forever struggle in the attempt to point to itself. The pointer (word, symbol) itself consists of "Isness" (= Truth) ...so anything you say about God literally is just more God (Truth, Being). Anything you say about Truth (whether true or false at reflecting what Truth is) is "Truth", by definition:)

Awakening does not require you to formalise or symbolise the realisation, which is the intuitive grasping of the Whole, transcending all dualism, symbolism, and linguistic pointers.

The "you" or "i" that could "have" the Truth or fail to have (know) it, is the obstacle here. It's literally too finite to be in possession of "the Truth" as a whole. Because Truth is too infinite, too whole and too complete (singular, one, already itself) to be pinned down by the finite mind. That is the Realisation of Truth.

Edited April 30 by Judy2

[Judy2]

Truth doesn't even depend on a you that knows it or that could be sure about it:) That's how free it is

[Breakingthewall]

The truth is the total absence of limits, that's the ultimate nature of reality, and who realizes it is the limited  structure of reality that is taking place now, the psyche. The limited form realizes the absence of limitations, because the absence of limitations implies that always there is a limited form, because the absence of a limited form is "never". It's the space between two forms, and that space is out of time, then it doesn't happen, because "happen" is the form. Seem paradoxical but it's simple

[Breakingthewall]

On 30/4/2025 at 1:01 AM, Mixcoatl said:

remember that in my last Bufo trips,

5 meo is useful to breaking structures, but it's always confusing. You can get the same expansion being sober, then it's clear. 

[Breakingthewall]

18 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

This is interesting 

If sense of self isn’t there, who would be able to recognize “this is the truth”? Are you sure you had zero self there?

Always it's a self since there is experience happening. We call absence of self the absence of thoughts about ourselves, but this is just an expression of the self. Ultimately the self is the perception, no self is impossible, you could say no separate self maybe, or no conceptual self made of thought, but self is always in my opinion 

Edited May 1 by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Always it's a self since there is experience happening. We call absence of self the absence of thoughts about ourselves, but this is just an expression of the self. Ultimately the self is the perception, no self is impossible, you could say no separate self maybe, or no conceptual self made of thought, but self is always in my opinion 

If there’s a self it’s a ~separate~ self how else is there a self? And for me it seems real then if it’s actually real I can’t know. 
 

 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

If there’s a self it’s a ~separate~ self how else is there a self? And for me it seems real then if it’s actually real I can’t know. 
 

 

If you're at home in silence, in the dark, your mind is completely empty of thought, without barriers, open to the unlimited, There's no separate self in that moment, but there is a self that's aware of the experience, that reality is happening, flowing. It's a self-aware self.

If you then start thinking things about yourself and other people, or about your future or whatever, a relative self appears. They're both the same, aren't they? And they're both real.

 

[Sugarcoat]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you're at home in silence, in the dark, your mind is completely empty of thought, without barriers, open to the unlimited, There's no separate self in that moment, but there is a self that's aware of the experience, that reality is happening, flowing. It's a self-aware self.

If you then start thinking things about yourself and other people, or about your future or whatever, a relative self appears. They're both the same, aren't they? And they're both real.

 

So first you say there’s a difference between the selves then you say they’re the same

Is self related to thoughts? I think so too in my experience 

maybe I’m caught in details here haha it’s fine

Edited May 1 by Sugarcoat

[Max1993]

@Mixcoatl The truth is the goodest. The Lovest. The End. - Leo's cadence is the only way I can describe it as well...

 

Taa effing Daa already.. 

[Breakingthewall]

36 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

So first you say there’s a difference between the selves then you say they’re the same

Is self related to thoughts? I think so too in my experience 

 

 

The self for me is the perception, and any perception has to happen with some structure. Without structure perception is impossible, and in reality there is always a structure. If there were none, no matter how tenuous, there would be nothing. It would be exactly the same now as before and after, therefore reality would not occur.

At some point, there would be some structure, since the potential for it to exist, as we see, and then reality would occur. This necessarily means that there are always infinite structures. The current structure is totally perfect, infinite synchronicity in action, like absolutely all other structures. It's quite shocking. It is infinite and perfect, and its depth is total. It moves, it evolves. The intelligence that designs this moment is absolute. It is not someone, not a god ,it is just the consequence of infinity. Everything is interconnected to infinite power, which makes it infinitely alive. It is totally impossible for it not to be so.

So, what is thought? The absolute in a perfect form, infinitely interconnected. If at some point you realize that, it is because the turn of infinity was exactly in that direction. What is this experience, this form? Just an expression of infinity, like anything else. Then, anyone that appears in this experience is another expression of infinity, then it's "another". Just my perspective, maybe you could say: it's me, but I don't see it in that way , me is this form, you is your form. Are absolutely separate, even the substance is the same and it's movement is syncronized in the same whole. From an absolute perspective, both are the same, but from a relative perspective are different, are separate perceptions. Both perspectives are real. 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 1 by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

@Breakingthewall I needa quit talking and start realizing..