The difference between Self and Being

[Hojo]

@Davino when there is no self you are the clouds in the sky you are seeing.

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Experience is the same than consciousness. Conciousness is the absolute observing itself. Conciousness is something that the absolute does,  not the absolute. Of course the substance of consciousness, or experience, is the absolute, but the experience itself is relative movement. That's why it's difficult to open yourself to the absolute, because we identify ourselves with the experience, because the experience is what is happening and we can't think in other dimension than the dimension of happening 

Consciousness = self awareness, object awareness= absolute observing itself= experience. I agree

[Sugarcoat]

26 minutes ago, Davino said:

Don't confuse cessation with no-self.

Just by the virtue that Buddhist care about these two states of consciousness does not make an existential correlation between them.

I don’t know what cessation is I’m not that knowledgeable of Buddhist ideas.

[Hojo]

@Sugarcoat the void of nothing. The cessation of all external and internal experience. Leaving you with just existing and awareness of existing.

Edited April 12 by Hojo

[Davino]

30 minutes ago, Hojo said:

when there is no self you are the clouds in the sky you are seeing.

Or maybe you're the infinite sky

[Schizophonia]

19 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat the void of nothing. The cessation of all external and internal experience. Leaving you with just existing and awareness of existing.

How could you be aware without experience ?

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

How could you be aware without experience ?

Experience awareness without a you.

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

Experience awareness without a you.

You mean non-duality?
I think he meant something else.

[Sugarcoat]

38 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat the void of nothing. The cessation of all external and internal experience. Leaving you with just existing and awareness of existing.

Awareness of existing implies duality to me

[Hojo]

@Sugarcoat you are the void of nothing its your true form close your eyes its right there. Its never gone anywhere your entire life and consumes you when you sleep. its always in the same spot. The duality is coming from you thinking you aren't the void of nothing. Its always aware just not always aware that its that.

Edited April 12 by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat you are the void of nothing its your true form close your eyes its right there. Its never gone anywhere your entire life its always in the same spot. The duality is you thinking you aren't the void of nothing.

Ok but closing my eyes doesn’t reveal it to me

[Hojo]

@Sugarcoat thats all closing your eyes does. Its revealing it to you whether you understand or not is up to the individual.

Edited April 13 by Hojo

[Hojo]

@Schizophonia

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

How could you be aware without experience ?

You are experiencing when you are in deep sleep you just forget you exist/become unaware. You are experiencing it as you can wake up and have an understanding of the qualia deep sleep has. If deep sleep wasn't a place you would blink out and instantly wake up again. This dosent happen we have a qualitative experience of blanking out for a 'time.

When you wake up you are still in the same place but are aware. Now pretend God didn't give you light you would be aware that you are there but be experiencing nothing.

The void/deep sleep is an experience of nothingness you aren't aware of unless you are fully awake and don't go to sleep just stare at the nothingness thats what meditation is for. If you accomplish this you see that you are still there.

Awareness and conciousness have nothing to do with the body or physical reality. If you dont know you are the void your awareness of your existence ceases as you labeled the body you. When the body goes the awareness you attached to the body goes too metaphysically. Awareness is still there you just aren't using it. If you become one with the void you cant lose awareness because that an consciousness become one.

Being aware of no experience is the key to transcending reality.

 

Edited April 12 by Hojo