The Princess Diaries

[PurpleTree]

GPT:

Yes — dolphins can experience something very much like depression. While it’s hard to measure their inner emotional states the same way we do in humans, there’s strong scientific and observational evidence that dolphins are capable of complex emotions, including sadness, grief, and even depressive-like behavior.

 

 

Why Scientists Think Dolphins Can Get Depressed

 

 

Complex Brains

Dolphins have large, highly developed brains with structures linked to emotion and social bonding (like the limbic system).

Their intelligence and self-awareness (they recognize themselves in mirrors) make them more vulnerable to psychological stress.

 

Behavior in Captivity
Dolphins in aquariums or marine parks sometimes show signs similar to depression:

Lethargy (floating listlessly, lack of play)

Loss of appetite

Self-harm behaviors (e.g., ramming walls)

 

Some researchers suggest that confined, unstimulating environments lead to stress and mental decline.

 

Grief & Mourning

Wild dolphins have been observed carrying and guarding the bodies of dead calves for days — interpreted as mourning.

Social animals that form deep bonds are more prone to psychological suffering when those bonds break.

 

Voluntary Breathing & Suicide Debate

Dolphins must consciously breathe (unlike humans, where it’s automatic).

Some trainers and scientists have reported dolphins refusing to surface, effectively suffocating themselves — described as a possible form of suicide linked to depression or trauma.

This idea is debated, but it highlights how unusual their biology is compared to ours.

 

 

 

 

 

✅ Conclusion: While we can’t diagnose dolphins with human depression, there’s good evidence that they do experience depressive-like states, especially in captivity or after trauma. In the wild, their social lives and mental stimulation seem to protect them better.

 

 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Dolphins in captivity can get depressed i think. 

Yes, I understand. Far cry from my question. Dogs whimper, animals show emotions and feel down. I'm saying they're not chasing happiness. Dolphins in captivity that get depressed is still an energetic response. Energy responding to energy being in captivity. Humans are the only species running down and chasing different states. 

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

GPT:

Yes — dolphins can experience something very much like depression. While it’s hard to measure their inner emotional states the same way we do in humans, there’s strong scientific and observational evidence that dolphins are capable of complex emotions, including sadness, grief, and even depressive-like behavior.

Of course, this is natural. NATURE at it's finest. Chasing happiness is not. Chasing down states is not a natural energetic response, it's delusion.

Edited September 26 by Princess Arabia

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, I understand. Far cry from my question. Dogs whimper, animals show emotions and feel down. I'm saying they're not chasing happiness. Dolphins in captivity that get depressed is still an energetic response. Energy responding to energy being in captivity. Humans are the only species running down and chasing different states. 

Some animals take psychedelic plants. Maybe they chase different states too?

gpt

Great question! A surprising number of animals are known (or suspected) to deliberately seek out psychoactive or intoxicating substances in the wild. It’s sometimes called zoopharmacognosy (when animals self-medicate) or recreational intoxication (when it seems more for pleasure than health).

 

Here are some examples:

 

 

 

 

🐒 Primates

 

 

Chimpanzees, gorillas, and baboons: Sometimes eat fermented fruits and get intoxicated.

Vervet monkeys: In the Caribbean, they’re notorious for stealing alcoholic cocktails from tourists.

 

 

 

 

 

🦌 Hooved Animals

 

 

Reindeer: Famously eat Amanita muscaria (fly agaric mushrooms), which are hallucinogenic. Some researchers suggest this inspired aspects of the Santa Claus myth.

Elk and moose: Have been observed eating fermented apples or berries and acting drunk.

 

 

 

 

 

🐘 Elephants

 

 

Often reported to eat fermented fruit (like marula) and get intoxicated, though scientists debate how much alcohol they can actually consume this way.

 

 

 

 

 

🐬 Dolphins

 

 

Young bottlenose dolphins have been filmed gently chewing on pufferfish, which release a small dose of tetrodotoxin — highly toxic in large amounts, but in small doses it may induce a trance-like state. The dolphins appear to pass the fish around like a “joint.”

 

 

 

 

 

🐦 Birds

 

 

Cedar waxwings, starlings, robins, etc.: Eat overripe or fermented berries and get visibly drunk, sometimes to the point of flying into windows.

Jays and crows: Occasionally eat fermented fruit for the same effect.

 

 

 

 

 

🦎 Reptiles & Others

 

 

Some wallabies in Tasmania have been seen eating poppy plants (meant for medical morphine production) and hopping around in circles, apparently intoxicated.

Cats: Domestic and wild cats react strongly to catnip (nepetalactone), which acts on opioid receptors in their brains.

 

 

 

 

✅ Takeaway: Many animals — from insects to dolphins — seek out natural substances that alter their state of mind. Sometimes this is accidental (fermented fruit), sometimes medicinal (self-medicating with plants), and sometimes it looks very much like recreational “drug use.”

 

Do you want me to make you a list of the most psychedelic plants and fungi animals are known to eat, with the species that use them?

 

[Princess Arabia]

@PurpleTreeok, so humans are like animals and animals like humans. Not much different. If humans were to do the exact same things you've mentioned here, I wouldn't call it 'chasing happiness'; still a bit of a difference. You've opened up my eyes a bit though. State chasing seems to be universal. Chasing states is not the same as chasing happiness though.  

[Princess Arabia]

I was wrong about humans being the only species to be chasing states. Lots of other animals do, I see. Interesting. Shows how it doesn't matter, it's all energetic. It's not humans, it's not animals but energy.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I was wrong about humans being the only species to be chasing states. Lots of other animals do, I see. Interesting. Shows how it doesn't matter, it's all energetic. It's not humans, it's not animals but energy.

I guess in the story humans are just a bit more complex. So that’s why many people can seemingly easily go crazy and lost in thought. Like for example the instinct to pro create. Which is an instinct of all animals. In humans it can get so elaborate and complicated. So the instinct is obviously very natural and nothing special. But then the stories that are seemingly fabricated around it in humans are just far out and can cause a lot of suffering and so on.

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I guess in the story humans are just a bit more complex. So that’s why many people can seemingly easily go crazy and lost in thought. Like for example the instinct to pro create. Which is an instinct of all animals. In humans it can get so elaborate and complicated. So the instinct is obviously very natural and nothing special. But then the stories that are seemingly fabricated around it in humans are just far out and can cause a lot of suffering and so on.

Yeah. I Guess. 

[Princess Arabia]

The dream cannot imagine what no separation is and cannot fathom what that really means because the dream can only operate from a dualistic paradigm. If not for the appearance of thought and memory time wouldn't even seem to be a thing. The dream is it's own reality and cannot step out of that reality. It's a subject/object paradigm and relates to things as such. It's like an institution.

What isn't the dream? What's appearing. What's the dream? The individual that relates to what's appearing. Sees what's appearing as separate from it, it's over there and i am over here, subject/object, claims and owns everything and sees what appears as happening to it and it becomes personal and owned. Take the i am out and there is no dream. The I am isn't dreaming it is the dream itself and the only illusion. 

[PurpleTree]

47 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yeah. I Guess. 

What’s really squirly with the so called human thing is that it’s never enough. Up up to the moon kind of thing. Billionaires always want more. And thus we’re almost never happy enough. And always look for the next better thing.

Anywho good thread i like it. 👍

And did you see Rose came back.

[Princess Arabia]

17 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

What’s really squirly with the so called human thing is that it’s never enough. Up up to the moon kind of thing. Billionaires always want more. And thus we’re almost never happy enough. And always look for the next better thing.

Anywho good thread i like it. 👍

And did you see Rose came back.

Yeah, John (or whatever his name is, her hubby) died. She popped up and i clicked on it. Didn't even realize she was away 'cause I had stopped watching her for awhile. No one tops Alexis. 

[Princess Arabia]

When the eyes first open from deep sleep, the body seems to need time to adjust to that narcissistic, arrogant, neurotic, illusory sense of self that will take over for the rest of the day until it goes back to sleep. Coffee..please. I'm grumpy. 

Notice the body can feel a sense of shock if woken up too suddenly. The illusory self is creeping in slowly. Deep sleep, it's not there. Not there now, but somehow it appears to feel like one's there. That's the I AM. Needs time to realize that it is. I AM that I AM. Only illusion.

Edited September 27 by Princess Arabia

[PurpleTree]

27 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yeah, John (or whatever his name is, her hubby) died. She popped up and i clicked on it. Didn't even realize she was away 'cause I had stopped watching her for awhile. No one tops Alexis. 

Yea i agree.

Tobias is also quite good imo, just started recently. Very flowery language and a buddy of Alexis

 

[Princess Arabia]

Where does the person go when the body 'dies'. To Timbuktu, I guess, or it just shoots out and disappear into space. Oh, I forgot, there is no person there, awareness is observing the person. Oh, it's just a body. I'm not the body/mind, I observe the body/mind's death. Shit, I got an eye witness, judge. Judge is awareness too so judge shouldn't need my eye-witness testimony. The killer is awareness too, so how am I pointing out myself. Gosh what a mess. Neti Neti not this not that.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea i agree.

Tobias is also quite good imo, just started recently. Very flowery language and a buddy of Alexis

 

Yeah, they're buddies. They're cool. These guys are the best. Something can seem to open up when watching these guys sometimes. Something seems to resonate that's not the person/me/individual. Like an intuition.

[Princess Arabia]

Think of it like this, do you still hang unto that drunk state you were in whenever it was. That high from smoking weed. Plenty of people have had experiences from altered states using drugs or alcohol. One can feel soooooo good on even some pills, they feel ecstasy and joy and bliss, then back down to reality it is. Why do you think these drugs are so popular. They make one feel good. They alter your state. Some can feel love, even feel God as they say....Oh God, whatever...all states, all experiences then it's back to 'normal'. Doesn't mean you're high forever, doesn't mean you have changed and turned into an enlightened being doesn't mean Jack shit other than you've felt like you've had an experience of......whatever that is. Keep going? There is no next, there is no when, if, there, why because, after, in between.....none of that really exists. There is just timelessness energy appearing as, that's it. It can appear as a person thinking they're enlightened - all empty and void of substance. 

We have seemingly turned the Absolute into a shit show of limitation and stale cum. We have limited infinity and turned it into a climatic opera rehearsal where we can look forward to an exciting finish and go tell it on the mountains to our other delusional buddies waiting to feel that enlightened bliss from some altered state then telling the stale story to our other fools that think infinity is there as a theatre movement for them to witness and become something from. 

There is no here and now, now and then, here and there, no next, no because of and no other interjection, abbreviation adjective or whatever in this here immediacy of Absolute wholeness and nothingness fill with emptiness and bizarre oneness of splendor freedom and liberated cockroaches. Nothing can turn this into a theatre of shit show enlightenment, only this itself can be that. Energy can play around all it wants and be all it wants but it can never be what's next, it can never be what's to come, it can never be "keep goin", IT CAN ONLY BE WHAT IS AND WHAT IS IS ALL THERE IS. So even it's keep going with your awakening bullshit and i will be enlightened fantasy is still what is and can be nothing but what is so that awakening means Jack shit to what is because it is also what is "acting like" it's awakening to itself. Such drama it loves to create. Then it leaves that energy high and dry then having it's buddies cheer him on and say keep going like this is even moving. It ain't, its not standing still either. So your future enlightenment is a shit show enlightenment prank by the absolute as the absolute acting like it needs to be enlightened because it ain't got nothing else to do but fuck around and play around for infinity.

[Princess Arabia]

Enjoy!!

[Princess Arabia]

There is no Source. Everything is just being what it is without distance. Source suggest distance time and space. Nothing has a source. Yes, a mango seems to come from a mango tree, but the tree is not the source of that mango. That mango is 'Nothing' being a mango, that tree is 'Nothing' being a tree.

Edited Saturday at 03:13 PM by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

This seeking energy is just wrapped up in and filled with addictive tendencies. It's just addicted to itself. Me,me,me,me,me,me,me. It can't help it. There's nothing outside of that institutionalized me world. Self-improvement, self-love, self-abidance, self- this and self that. All so not happening but seems to be for that world. Thats the dream. It's crazy because it seems so real. I cry when I realize how this stuff is. There's nothing wonderful about feeling (whatever that feeling is) even if it's not real or it doesn't matter. The feeling is the secret alright. It's the trick. 

 

[Princess Arabia]

A lot of spiritual teachers went through immense suffering and found relief so now they're trying to teach other me's how not to suffer.

This is just more pipe dreams and dream world talking to dream world. What is there to let go of when nothing can be held unto. They'll teach, let go of thoughts, let go of this and that, surrender to this and that but next week tell you nothing can be held unto. Thoughts aren't yours to let go of in the first place. When I realized that I wasn't my thoughts and blah blah.......ok then, there's no need to teach you're not your thoughts then is there, no thoughts to let go of if they're not yours.