Locations...is anything "located" anywhere?

[TruthFreedom]

Seeing as a "location" depends on "something else" being located "somewhere else"

Can we say that anything actually has a location?

A location refers to something always in reference to where it is, relative to something else.

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[TruthFreedom]

Yeah TruthFreedom, I'm in your mom's bedroom 

Lol

[Leo Gura]

That's the core of Einstein's Relativity theory.

Location is not absolute, it's relative. You need to have two objects that you can compare in order to create a "location". Location is relativistic. Which then makes distance and length relativistic. And velocity relativistic. And time relativistic.

Edited October 23, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

Everything is relative, not just the location.

According to string theory, seemingly point-like subatomic particles are actually vibrational states of a more basic extended object called a string, which vibrates in 10 dimensions.

A vibration vibrates relatively to the points that constitute a filament, a single point in the universe could not vibrate, it would need a reference for the vibration to exist. Then, what is vibrating, the point or the reference? 

[Hojo]

The location of everything is the center of the universe where you are. If you happen to change locations you do so through the center of the universe.

Edited October 23, 2024 by Hojo

[Keryo Koffa]

It's a psychic frequency constellation you tune between, the universe is mind.

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

The location of everything is the center of the universe where you are. If you happen to change locations you do so through the center of the universe.

How's there a center of the Universe. It's Infinite. Center implies measurement. A point of reference which needs a boundary. Center is imagined.

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then, what is vibrating, the point or the reference? 

Everything

[Princess Arabia]

Nothing is located anywhere because nothing actually exists, it's all appearances. Its not actually there. Relativity is a word used to explain away the magic so it doesn't drive you crazy. Hum hum.

[TheAlchemist]

This is a super fascinating topic to explore. First of all, I agree, all location is absolutely relative. This is the case with all objects that seem to be distinct and to have a distance from each other. 

This idea also stretches much further than relation between material objects. Here I wanna take the opportunity to explore the relation between the sense of identity and the sense of subjectivity, which is quite fascinating. This will sound obvious to some but I find its always  to explore the fundamental questions of being conscious. 

Identity wants to locate itself in the symbolic realm in relation to other identities and the social structure. 

Example: Your name is a a concept that was imposed on you by your parents as a place to locate your identity (relative to other identities). Even if you choose a new name, you are still locating yourself in the symbolic social realm.

Concepts like "man" "woman" "plumber" "muslim" "american" "human" "confident" etc. are all way to be distinct and distanced from other identities. This is the way identity aims to localize itself.

So just like a pencil or a planet or a star doesn't have a location, neither does our sense of subjectivity. Identity is layered "on top of" subjectivity and provides a sense of location in relation to other identities and symbolic realms of language etc. This is why identity is in a sense important to navigate social reality. At the same time identity causes horrible problems when it is insisted on to relieve us from our subjectivity. 

In a sense, every object is alien to where it exists, nothing has its own "place". The same applies to us; whoever we think we are is alien to us.

These relations between location and identity, subjectivity and space can be used to gain a ton of insight into all sorts of political and cultural situations too. For example, most ideologies appeal to the desire to "be located" in some way, appealing to (and creating) our desire to escape our subjectivity. 

 

Edited October 23, 2024 by TheAlchemist

[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia If the universe has no boundaries then where you are looking out of is the centre of the universe. It goes equally infinite in all directions and you are nestled in between both equal infinite lengths of space. If you were to go 12 trillion light years in one direction you would still be nestled in between infinite spaces at the centre(the exact same amount of infinite space).Us being something puts us at the centre of the universe.There is a map of this I saw a long time ago and cannot find but I will try to look for it.

It has to do with how your eyes focus on reality. Where you have one point and another point and you can put them together and they match perfectly but the rest of the image is distorted.

Edited October 24, 2024 by Hojo

[Theplay]

In its root is difference.

Kant talks about space being a pre-requisite for perception to take place.

Two things can't be different and located at the same place.

So with difference comes location and with location comes space.

[Genius100x]

@TruthFreedom  

Excerpt from Eckhart Tolle's book "The Power of Now" : 

 

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THE TRUE NATURE OF SPACE AND TIME 

Now consider this: If there were nothing but silence, it wouldn't exist for you; you wouldn't know what it is. Only when sound appears does silence come into being. Similarly, if there were only space without any objects in space, it wouldn't exist for you. Imagine yourself as a point of consciousness floating in the vastness of space -- no stars, no galaxies, just emptiness. Suddenly, space wouldn't be vast anymore; it would not be there at all. There would be no speed, no movement from here to there. At least two points of reference are needed for distance and space to come into being. Space comes into being the moment the One becomes two, and as "two" become the "ten thousand things," as Lao Tse calls the manifested world, space becomes more and more vast. So world and space arise simultaneously. Nothing could be without space, yet space is nothing. Before the universe came into being, before the "big bang" if you like, there wasn't a vast empty space waiting to be filled. There was no space, as there was no thing. There was only the Unmanifested -- the One. When the One became "the ten thousand things," suddenly space seemed to be there and enabled the many to be. Where did it come from? Was it created by God to accommodate the universe? Of course not. Space is no-thing, so it was never created. Go out on a clear night and look up at the sky. The thousands of stars you can see with the naked eye are no more than an infinitesimal fraction of what is there. One thousand million galaxies can already be detected with the most powerful telescopes, each galaxy an "island universe" containing thousands of millions of stars. Yet what is even more awe-inspiring is the infinity of space itself, the depth and stillness that allows all of that magnificence to be. Nothing could be more awe-inspiring and majestic than the inconceivable vastness and stillness of space, and yet what is it? Emptiness, vast emptiness. What appears to us as space in our universe perceived through the mind and the senses is the Unmanifested itself, externalized. It is the "body" of God. And the greatest miracle is this: That stillness and vastness that enables the universe to be, is not just out there in space -- it is also within you. When you are utterly and totally present, you encounter it as the still inner space of no-mind. Within you, it is vast in depth, not in extension. Spacial extension is ultimately a misperception of infinite depth -- an attribute of the one transcendental reality.

According to Einstein, space and time are not separate. I don't really understand it, but I think he is saying that time is the fourth dimension of space. He calls it the "space-time continuum." Yes. What you perceive externally as space and time are ultimately illusory, but they contain a core of truth. They are the two essential attributes of God, infinity and eternity, perceived as if they had an external existence outside you. Within you, both space and time have an inner equivalent that reveals their true nature, as well as your own. Whereas space is the still, infinitely deep realm of nomind, the inner equivalent of time is presence, awareness of the eternal Now. Remember that there is no distinction between them. When space and time are realized within as the Unmanifested -- no-mind and presence -- external space and time continue to exist for you, but they become much less important. The world, too, continues to exist for you, but it will not bind you anymore. Hence, the ultimate purpose of the world lies not within the world but in transcendence of the world. Just as you would not be conscious of space if there were no objects in space, the world is needed for the Unmanifested to be realized. You may have heard the Buddhist saying: "If there were no illusion, there would be no enlightenment." It is through the world and ultimately through you that the Unmanifested knows itself. You are here to enable the divine purpose of the universe to unfold. That is how important you are!

 

 

Edited October 24, 2024 by Genius100x