Playlist For Understanding Israel Deception

[MightyMind]

@Inliytened1

42 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Of course not.

I find that weird. If there is "Israeli deception" wouldn't it make sense to try to make sense of how it came to be? to see the continuum and context, I imagine this would help us better our understanding of what it is we are looking at.

Edited September 5 by MightyMind

[Inliytened1]

29 minutes ago, MightyMind said:

@Inliytened1

I find that weird. If there is "Israeli deception" wouldn't it make sense to try to make sense of how it came to be? to see the continuum and context, I imagine this would help us better our understanding of what it is we are looking at.

It is. And it would.  We should always try to look at things from a big picture perspective as well as the small.  Things are happening in such a way.  But what led up to this?   But then you get into causality and social evolution and it all becomes too grand to look at it in a single thread.  I can appreciate that.  But does it? How many replies here are there? More than enough to cover a broader perspective.  

Edited September 5 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

@MightyMind  the tone of this tbread is that Israel - the zionists - set out with an intent to destroy the Palestinians and through deception they made it seem like ...I don't know..they aren't doing anything wrong or that it was the Palestinian's fault.   Isn't that deception? To trick someone into believing something that isn't true?  That they didn't plan genocide and are carrying out intentional genocide?

I have a hard time with this because i do not think they had the same intentions as leaders they have been compared to.  With posts like Leo saying that the only difference between them and Hitler is that they tried to hide it equates them with Hitler to begin with.  I disagree with the premise that they had a plan and are Intentionally committing genocide.  And that they are worse than Hitler for trying to be deceitful about it.

To me this just doesn't add up for the points I and others have pointed out.   And again I think to your point it's essential to go back and see what lead to what before you can make the accusation of a nation engaging in genocide let alone trying to hide it. 

Edited September 5 by Inliytened1

[enchanted]

 

[Inliytened1]

@enchanted summarize please

[Nivsch]

On 3.9.2025 at 7:50 AM, Raze said:

The only thing that allows zionists

Who are Zionists?

Am I a Zionist? 🤔

Edited September 5 by Nivsch

[Terell Kirby]

Watch out for Ritchie Torres- he's a self proclaimed "Pro-Israel progressive" and Zionist (start at 41 mins):

People like David Pakman are endorsing this guy as the face of Progressivism- which is joke. I love how Adam Friedland calls him out on his BS

[zazen]

On 9/5/2025 at 0:49 PM, Nivsch said:

Who are Zionists?

Am I a Zionist? 🤔

Zionism is essentially self-determination and securing a safe homeland for the Jews. The issue is because there are other natives on the land they want to secure - they need to resort to violence, force, dispossession and domination to do so. And Zionists who carry this out do so in the name of Zionism - which gives Zionism itself a bad name. There's a dark distorted version of Zionism that's blurred with its more understandable aspirations of self-determination.

The problem is that Zionists already have self-determination and a state of Israel that is recognized by the world and UN - but they deny this same right of determination to the Palestinians who are natives to the same land. When those Palestinians resist Zionists getting in the way of that determination - they are deemed a security threat for doing so. This then justifies dominating them beyond the borders of Israel in the form of occupation which involves resistance to that occupation - which then gives Zionists further ''evidence'' that they are acting for security reasons - a form of circular logic.

But the root cause is obvious to anyone who see's the issue clearly. You can't claim to want self-determination whilst denying the same to those sharing the same land as you. You can't find security in keeping another people insecure indefinitely - unless a final solution is inflicted upon them ie ethnic cleansing or genocide. You can't dominate another people in the name of security, in the name of Zionism, and then expect the world to be okay with that sleight of hand which is obvious to the world.

Edited September 7 by zazen

[Nivsch]

@zazen Take a look at what you just did. You decided that this aspiration of Jews to their own homeland must come with domination.

But what if the Two State solution almost all Israeli parties talked about (proof here, translate the page with google: https://mobile.srugim.co.il/article/105276 ) before oct7, had actually been implemented?

" Bennett emphasized the fundamental difference between ‘Likud’ and ‘The Jewish Home’ and said: ‘The Jewish Home is essentially the only party that opposes a Palestinian state; all the other parties support a Palestinian state. It is the only party that acted against the release of terrorists, while all the others essentially voted in favor.' "

"Zionism" is just a magical word to hide behind and get a dopamine reliefe to help us not to see Israelis clearly.

Edited September 7 by Nivsch

[zazen]

@Nivsch I'm not denying that today their are Israeli's who want a two state solution or a peaceful solution / manifestation of Zionism. I was pointing out that historically from the beginning the structural contradiction of Zionism is what caused it to default to domination. The contradiction is that the land they wanted to secure was already inhabited - and force was required to secure that land from those natives, including till today as those natives resist giving up more of their land.

The idea of a two state solution or sharing of land came later but was never the premise of Zionism from the start. That's why its called solution - because the problem was that the original aspirations required domination, that would have resistance to that domination baked in. And a solution to that resistance and violence is a two state: that's meant to solve the problem caused by the original manifestation of Zionism that is unfortunately still playing out in its own way today.

The geopolitical reality of the situation forced Zionism to evolve a more ethical and sustainable solution.

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Zionism is essentially self-determination and securing a safe homeland for the Jews. The issue is because there are other natives on the land they want to secure - they need to resort to violence, force, dispossession and domination to do so. And Zionists who carry this out do so in the name of Zionism - which gives Zionism itself a bad name. There's a dark distorted version of Zionism that's blurred with its more understandable aspirations of self-determination.

As I said, there's different versions of Zionism. One side thinks it needs to dominate Palestinians in order to secure the self-determination they already achieved or even perhaps take that away from them in order to expand Israel to absorb their land. The other side (you and moderate Israeli's) thinks both should live with self-determination in a two state solution.

[Nivsch]

On 7.9.2025 at 2:41 PM, zazen said:

The idea of a two state solution or sharing of land came later but was never the premise of Zionism from the start.

This isn't true.

The Zionist movement was divided in its opinions from the very beginning as seen in its responses to the partition plan of Peel comission in 1936:

" The leadership of the institutions, including David Ben-Gurion, Chaim Weizmann, and Golda Meir, supported the proposals of the Peel Commission, at least the partition proposal. Opposing them stood a coalition of communists and left-wing figures (who supported a binational state), the religious (who opposed giving up the ancestral homeland), the Revisionists, the moderate right led by Menachem Ussishkin, non-Zionist Americans, and those who believed that through struggle better conditions could be achieved.

The chairman of the Zionist Executive, David Ben-Gurion, was very pleased when he read the Commission’s report, but chose the tactic of publicly opposing partition so that the plan would be presented as British and thus not trigger automatic Arab opposition. He even informed the Colonial Secretary that the entire Zionist movement opposed partition.

This stance caused Zionism’s friends to sharply attack the report in the parliamentary debate, and thus, instead of approving the partition plan, Parliament decided only to submit it to the League of Nations. "

From the Hebrew Wikipedia article:

https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ועדת_פיל

Edited September 8 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

On 9/4/2025 at 6:25 PM, MightyMind said:

@Inliytened1

I find that weird. If there is "Israeli deception" wouldn't it make sense to try to make sense of how it came to be? to see the continuum and context, I imagine this would help us better our understanding of what it is we are looking at.

We know exactly how it came to be. The founders of Zionism state it clearly in their writings. Israel cannot exist without displacing a native population of people and taking their land by any means necessary including theft, war, rape, ethnic cleansing, terrorism, manipulation, and deception.

Literally on Mossad's office their motto is written: "Wage war through deception and trickery."

You got no leg to stand on here. Deception is their stated aim and they are shameless about it and proud of it.

Edited September 9 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

 

[Leo Gura]

 

[Inliytened1]

@Leo Gura so he took a distorted view of some guy talking about the Israeli flag (which is not a shield) and then took it as a way to attack Israel and claim genocide.   Nice. I like how he snuck this in out of nowhere in the middle of the video.   Bias of the highest order.

Edited September 9 by Inliytened1

[MightyMind]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

We know exactly how it came to be. The founders of Zionism state it clearly in their writings. Israel cannot exist without displacing a native population of people and taking their land by any means necessary including theft, war, rape, ethnic cleansing, terrorism, manipulation, and deception.

Literally on Mossad's office their motto is written: "Wage war through deception and trickery."

You got no leg to stand on here. Deception is their stated aim and they are shameless about it and proud of it.

@Leo Gura You're not even scratching the surface and this is what I'm getting at. You're acting as if this came out of a vacuum, why? 

Do you think this behavior came out of nowhere? - ("theft, war, rape, ethnic cleansing, terrorism, manipulation, and deception) ??? Meaning, do you really think it started with Mossad and their motto? I'd suggest no, it didn't.

Either you tiptoeing and playing a strategic game or? Investigate further back good sir

Edited September 9 by MightyMind

[MightyMind]

@Leo Gura there no shortage of intelligent and influential men, from many countries including America, who wrote about what I'm referring to. Going back a long long time, much longer than the creation of "Israel", non-relating people, from different lands, from Asia to America, who all echo the same thing which is the habit, behaviour, "cultural" upbringing of a people, and their doctrine which shaped and guided them. Dig deeper! 

Edited September 9 by MightyMind

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, MightyMind said:

@Leo Gura there no shortage of intelligent and influential men, from many countries including America, who wrote about what I'm referring to. Going back a long long time, much longer than the creation of "Israel", non-relating people, from different lands, from Asia to America, who all echo the same thing which is the habit, behaviour, "cultural" upbringing of a people, and their doctrine which shaped and guided them. Dig deeper! 

He's given up on this thread due to sufficient resistance. He's just going to drop weak bias videos showing how Israel is committing genocide.  Don't waste your time.  There is no in depth thought about this.  It's just a demonization of a people.  

[MightyMind]

@Inliytened1 There's evil forces working on both sides, should it not be called out? 

[Inliytened1]

On 9/9/2025 at 2:14 PM, MightyMind said:

@Inliytened1 There's evil forces working on both sides, should it not be called out? 

Ok sure 😀 but this thread isn't about digging deeper it's about pointing out what Israel is doing now and how they are being deceptive.  They have planned this evil and are now carrying it out.   Well, according to those in favor.  Who cares how they got there assuming they got there.

Edited 5 hours ago by Inliytened1