Playlist For Understanding Israel Deception

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Raze said:

I like how every example you brought up was after zionists had already begun colonizing Palestine and you clearly didn’t even read your post since it even mentions how some examples were in reaction to Zionist terrorist attacked. None of this compares to the constant mass murder and pogroms Israelis have inflicted on Palestinians in the past 90 years either which you don’t mention. One example being during the civil war you mention before any Arab army invaded Zionists already killed thousands of Palestinian civilians and expelled hundreds of thousands.

You can't play that card because if you do we can go back beyond 90 years. If your point is two wrongs don't make a right then please just say it's two wrongs.  My point was not just to point out where  Israel is wrong but where everyone else is wrong too.  The singling out of one people because it's "current events" is very limited in my estimation. 

Edited September 2 by Inliytened1

[Revolutionary Think]

The Jewish communities in Hebron existed centuries before any mention of Israel or colonization even before World War 2 and they were slaughtered. 

[Raze]

22 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

The Jewish communities in Hebron existed centuries before any mention of Israel or colonization even before World War 2 and they were slaughtered. 

Correct, Palestinians largely lived in peace with Jews in Palestine prior to Zionism. The Hebron massacre was in response to zionists marching with weapons chanting the country was theirs, as bad as it was it small in comparison to the hundreds of massacres of Palestinians by zionists since then. One massacre does not justify another, let alone hundreds.

They are literally carrying out pogroms every week in the West Bank, and all you are interested in is going back 90 years, ignoring all context, and complaining about bias. 

Edited September 2 by Raze

[Inliytened1]

32 minutes ago, Raze said:

Correct, Palestinians largely lived in peace with Jews in Palestine prior to Zionism. The Hebron massacre was in response to zionists marching with weapons chanting the country was theirs, as bad as it was it small in comparison to the hundreds of massacres of Palestinians by zionists since then. One massacre does not justify another, let alone hundreds.

They are literally carrying out pogroms every week in the West Bank, and all you are interested in is going back 90 years, ignoring all context, and complaining about bias. 

Let me put this in some kind of context for you.

Let us say you have your favorite bar. And you go to this bar twice a week for a year.

At least once a week - when choosing a seat at the bar there is always one seat short.

But the place is always packed so the seat always ends up being between you and another guy.  Every time you exchange eyes with this guy who walks up to the same seat you did he says to you "that's my seat". Or maybe some of the time you say "look dude, I was here first..its my seat".

And then you lock eyes but you aren't interested in really fighting for the seat. You aren't ready to throw the first punch.   But you also don't wanna relinquish the seat.  But in the end, because you're a passive dude by nature,, you do nothing and he inevitably draws back and punches you square in the nose.  You recoil away and he takes your seat.  You were lucky this time you weren't knocked into a coma or worse.

This happens again and again, once a week, for a whole year. So finally you are fed up, and you decide the next time a stranger comes up to the seat, you are going to strike first.  Because you're tired of being the guy who got caught looking.

Well..that's all this is.  So really to look at the current night at the bar is to really have a very myopic viewpoint.   There may be a hundred people at the bar screaming how you were the aggressor.  But they really don't know how you had been taken advantage of for so many nights prior because they only attended the bar that one night when you decided to strike first.

Edited September 2 by Inliytened1

[Leo Gura]

@Revolutionary Think You are deflecting from facing the current ethnic cleansing project that Israel is and has been from day one.

Just because there was some minor ethnic conflict 100 years ago doesn't mean anything. Ethnic conflicts are a typical thing in the pre-modern world. That does not excuse an ethnic cleansing project in the 21st century funded by American and European resources.

I also do not deny that antisemitism exists, especially 100 years ago. But that is irrelevant to what is happening today. You can't keep hiding behind antisemitism.

Most of the examples you listed are just the consequences of Zionists enacting an ethnic cleansing project since the 1930s.

Ask yourself why Arabs hate Jews. It is not because of your blood, it is because you took -- and continue to take -- their land through violence and subterfuge.

If I did not speak out against the falsehoods of Zionism I would be discredited as an intellectual and philosopher. I'm not going end up a Heidegger.

Your autonomy was always the goal. But be careful what you put it towards.

Edited September 2 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

12 hours ago, Raze said:

They are literally carrying out pogroms every week in the West Bank, and all you are interested in is going back 90 years, ignoring all context, and complaining about bias. 

Israel co-operates with the Palestinian Authority for the last two decades in chasing after hamas cells in the West Bank. Just for you to know.

Edited September 2 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

@Revolutionary Think @Inliytened1

Until Israel stops the settlements, Zionists have no leg to stand on. You cannot claim Zionism is innocent while building and expanding settlements as we speak. Your position is intellectually bankrupt.

[Revolutionary Think]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Until Israel stops the settlements, Zionists have no leg to stand on. You cannot claim Zionism is innocent while building and expanding settlements as we speak. Your position is intellectually bankrupt.

Yet when they forcibly removed Israeli's from Gush Katif and gave it to the Gazans that's when Hamas took over and ever since then all they've been getting is rockets, suicide bombers, and more people coming in to murder them. So let's say Israel withdraws all it's settlements from the West Bank another terrorist group gets voted in and the Palestinians want to finish the job they started by totally wanting to wipe out Jews from the entire area. Will that make you happy then? Is Israel finally the good guy after that?

The removal of Gush Katif Israeli military actually came in to remove Israelis from the area. The thanks that they got were more bombs rockets murder and killing. 

[Leo Gura]

54 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

So let's say Israel withdraws all it's settlements from the West Bank

That's not going to happen. Israel will complete its ethnic cleansing project and destroy the Palestinians.

All I want is truth about the matter.

If you're going to destroy the Palestinians, at least don't gaslight us about it. Just admit that's what you're doing.

At least Hitler was honest about his plans for the Jews.

The problem is that Zionists are not conscious of what they're doing. They're in denial about it. They cannot admit it to themselves because it is too ugly to face the truth of it.

[Revolutionary Think]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's not going to happen

I just told you it happened in 2005 and the results of it. Way to ignore all I said and look at everything from your bias point of view. If you're not even acknowledging that history and reality there's really no point in continuing this conversation. 

[Raze]

16 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Israel co-operates with the Palestinian Authority for the last two decades in chasing after hamas cells in the West Bank. Just for you to know.

Yes, the PA not only stopped fighting israel but helps crush Palestinians trying to resist the destruction of their people, No South African rebel group ever went that far to placate apartheid.

Israel’s response is to ramp up violence and theft even more. Did any Israeli care that more children died in the west bank by September 2023 that year than since the second intifada by their doing? No. Yet the want the whole world to care about Israelis killed on Oct 7.

The idea israel just wants peace and if Palestinians lay down their weapons their will be peace is a complete lie. Their definition of peace is Palestinians are a subjugated people who they can brutalize at whim for all eternity.

The only language israel understands is violence, economic cost, and sometimes shame. At no point in Israel’s history have they ever relented their expansion unless they faced a large amount of this, and even then it was usually a ploy to expand the brutality elsewhere. Israelis always say “Arabs only understand force”, it is complete projection.

Edited September 3 by Raze

[Raze]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's not going to happen. Israel will complete its ethnic cleansing project and destroy the Palestinians.

All I want is truth about the matter.

If you're going to destroy the Palestinians, at least don't gaslight us about it. Just admit that's what you're doing.

At least Hitler was honest about his plans for the Jews.

The problem is that Zionists are not conscious of what they're doing. They're in denial about it. They cannot admit it to themselves because it is too ugly to face the truth of it.

Hitler wasn’t honest, behind closed doors he was, but he tried it hide it from the world.

Zionists can’t do that as well due to modern media, so they have to brainwash themselves.

The only thing that allows zionists to destroy Palestine is US support, all it would take is one phone call from the president to put an end to it. That’s why I don’t think they’ll destroy the Palestinians, because opinions against them have shifted around the world for every group, it’s really a matter of can they finish the job in the next 8-16 years as the elderly demographic that most supports them loses their influence. 

Edited September 3 by Raze

[MightyMind]

I'm curious, when did Israeli deception begin?

Did it just start at the beginning of Israel? If so, what were the conditions that raised a culture to behave in the way they do?

If it didn't begin with the nation "Israel", then what's its story? 

Has this been discussed in this thread?

 

Edited September 4 by MightyMind

[Nivsch]

16 hours ago, Raze said:

Yes, the PA not only stopped fighting israel but helps crush Palestinians trying to resist the destruction of their people, No South African rebel group ever went that far to placate apartheid

Why do you think Israel deepened its hold in the West Bank in 2002? And why it took it years of suicide bombing inside its cities to decide to finally do so? Do you think Israel wanted or enjoyed it? Don't look at this so dichotomically.

Edited September 3 by Nivsch

[Raze]

5 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Why do you think Israel deepened its hold in the West Bank in 2002? And why it took it years of suicide bombing inside its cities to decide to finally do so? Do you think Israel wanted or enjoyed it? Don't look at this so dichotomically.

Yes, they began first building illegal settlements as early as 1967. The West Bank Palestinians were so passive they took the abuse with barely a reaction for decades, finally there was a reaction with the first intifada which israel responded with far more violence. Then when israel still refused to truly engage in peace instead using lies and games to make it seem like the Palestinians were the rejectionists to push for endless occupation did the suicide bombings happen.

Edited September 4 by Raze

[Nivsch]

@Raze
Not at all. There were hundreds of severe terror attacks in the 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s and especially from the 90s after Oslo agreements as an attempt to derail them, and then the 2nd Intifada precisely after a big momentum of Hebron agreement, Israel-Jordan peace agreement, Y agreement, Gaza-Jericho agreement, Camp David negotiation. The Two-State solution is a bad solution in the eyes of hamas's and main Palestinian terror groups because it pulls the rug out from under their dream to have the entire land. This is why they don't want it. Just like the right wing in Israel that don't like it.

Edited September 4 by Nivsch

[Inliytened1]

On 9/2/2025 at 5:09 PM, Leo Gura said:

 

At least Hitler was honest about his plans for the Jews.

 

That's because it was a plan of genocide.  As @Revolutionary Think mentioned this is retaliation.   When Israel did make concessions all they got were bombs.  But this should be no surprise. For thousands of years for some reason their destruction has been sought.  I understand that in the Palestinian's case what they want is the land - but trust me they would and have never hesitated via proxies to strike first.  Oct 7th ring a bell?  They would wipe Jews out of the area given the opportunity - to achieve their goal.. They have already tried.  So now that Israel has become the aggressor or what seems to be the aggressor everyone here wants to single them out as evil.   Well.  I think again this is quite myopic.  

P.S. fix the database issues on the site. 

Edited Thursday at 10:56 PM by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

On 9/2/2025 at 11:50 PM, Raze said:

 

Zionists can’t do that as well due to modern media, so they have to brainwash themselves.

 

Sometimes when it comes to survival you have to accept that certain atrocities must happen.  Because otherwise those same atrocities will happen to you.  None of it is pretty. But it's not like they sat down and preplanned a genocide.  They were attacked on Oct 7th. If you're saying they were just waiting for this so they could wipe out the Palestinians and are now blocking that out of their minds that's a lot of assumptions.    

Edited Thursday at 11:20 PM by Inliytened1

[PhilBen]

@Leo Gura I can clearly see that there is a foundation of self-bias in Zionism. But let me try to understand your view:   

 Arabs hate jews and terrorisms exists  because of Zionist's etnich cleansing project? 

I understand that the whole settlement dynamics and all the things that have been happening feeds terrorism. 

But isn't it a unilateral way of looking at things? What about Iran, who invest in terrorist groups? What about the jihadists? 

Do you really think Jews started everything?

Edited Thursday at 11:32 PM by PhilBen

[Inliytened1]

On 9/3/2025 at 11:08 AM, MightyMind said:

I'm curious, when did Israeli deception begin?

Did it just start at the beginning of Israel? If so, what were the conditions that raised a culture to behave in the way they do?

If it didn't begin with the nation "Israel", then what's its story? 

Has this been discussed in this thread?

 

Of course not.