Playlist For Understanding Israel Deception

[Leo Gura]

@Breakingthewall Lay off the name-calling, even if he is being bad.

@Twentyfirst Don't be so nasty to people who disagree with you.

Edited January 15 by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Topspin715 said:

There's a difference between ethnic cleansing and genocide.  The former seeks to either expel an ethnic group from an area or move other ethnic groups in so as to dilute that minority group.  Murder is not required.  Genocide is the actual destruction of a group.

Every person will have a different opinion and view on an issue.  There are definitely some Israelis and Palestinians that want to see the opposing group gone at virtually any cost.  But a government doesn't represent the entirety of people that it governs and even within a government, there will be very diverse opinions.

I'd like to see Leo do a video about war and terrorism in general before he jumps in to so harshly judge these awful circumstances.

I think many here equate ethnic cleansing with genocide.   They believe Israel sees no distinction.  

[Twentyfirst]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Breakingthewall Lay off the name-calling, even if he is being bad.

@Twentyfirst Don't be so nasty to people who disagree with you.

He accused me of condoning violence on Oct 7th attack without any proof of me actually saying it. Thats pretty nasty of him

[Twentyfirst]

The biggest deception of all is that Israelis have proven to the world that they will never leave the land. The only reason they are there is because of American protection

They would never endure what Gazans or Palestinians in general have endured. Attack after attack, massacre after massacre, bomb after bomb, for decades after decades. Even this year it was more tons bombs dropped on gaza than anywhere else ever

This gives the illusion that they are so tied so the land that they are willing to die for it. Meanwhile they aren't anywhere close to the same danger. And when they are close to that danger they actually do leave. Since Oct 7th at least half a million Jews left out of fear and unwillingness to stay on the land

Pull out the protection. And the Israelis will abandon all their plans for conquests and run away because deep down they know they have no natural right to be there

[Twentyfirst]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm not racist , I think all the races are the same, but I don't respect fundamentalist of any race. Are you smart enough to understand that it's different a race that an ideology? I Know it's difficult for some people, let's see. Race is black, asian, etc. ideology is Islamic, Nazi, etc. Do you understand? Look, a Islamic could be asian or black or anything. I know there are difficult concepts, but work hard, do your best  and maybe you will get some of them,.over all never give up 

How are you not a racist if you called me a muslim monkey? 

Whats so great about you anyway? 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

How are you not a racist if you called me a muslim monkey? 

Whats so great about you anyway? 

Muslim is not a race. You should learn basic concepts before talk with smart people, you are not in the level . You start scream as a monkey very fast. I don't care about your race, but I don't like to listen your screams here 

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Muslim is not a race. You should learn basic concepts before talk with smart people, you are not in the level . You start scream as a monkey very fast. I don't care about your race, but I don't like to listen your screams here 

Call me a monkey again.

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

This gives the illusion that they are so tied so the land that they are willing to die for it. Meanwhile they aren't anywhere close to the same danger. And when they are close to that danger they actually do leave. Since Oct 7th at least half a million Jews left out of fear and unwillingness to stay on the land

Maybe yes maybe no. The reality is that a coalition of several Muslim countries that were more than 20 times their population declared war on them and it was a war called the Six Day War, or also called the supreme ridicule of Islam. So it is silly to say what the Jews will or will not endure, perhaps they will surrender in 6 days like Egypt after declaring war, perhaps they will hold out for at least a month.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Call me a monkey again.

I didn't call you monkey, I just told you that you scream like a monkey. If you learn to interact like a human, then you are welcome 

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

I didn't call you monkey, I just told you that you scream like a monkey. If you learn to interact like a human, then you are welcome 

If you had humanity you would also be angry at babies dying. But you support all this zionist nonsense so what good do you know anyway. You have been severely corrupted by deception. What this thread is all about

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe yes maybe no. The reality is that a coalition of several Muslim countries that were more than 20 times their population declared war on them and it was a war called the Six Day War, or also called the supreme ridicule of Islam. So it is silly to say what the Jews will or will not endure, perhaps they will surrender in 6 days like Egypt after declaring war, perhaps they will hold out for at least a month.

The Jews of younger generation just wanna smoke weed on the beach. If American support pulled out they would try but wouldn't last long 

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

If you had humanity you would also be angry at babies dying. But you support all this zionist nonsense so what good do you know anyway. You have been severely corrupted by deception. What this thread is all about

Who said that I support Zionist? Where? I just said that the Jews have the promise land, Jerusalem, as a fundamental part of their religion. Im not saying that they are right, I just exposed a fact, then you start yelling. I'm not corrupted by any deception because I don't support the Zionist, if I were a Jew living in Israel I would emigrate and I would forget that I'm a Jew, what the fuck is being Jew? I'm a human nothing else

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

The Jews of younger generation just wanna smoke weed on the beach. If American support pulled out they would try but wouldn't last long 

It's very possible, But now there are guys from the new generation fighting in the war. To what extent are they committed? Certainly less than the Palestinians. The Palestinians carried out the massacre on October 7 to provoke the martyrdom of their people, thus demonstrating their absolute commitment to their cause. If I had to bet, I would bet that Palestine wins, Israel loses. Not today, not in 10 years, but in 20, 30 years, Israel disappears, Palestine remains. That would be my bet. 

There is something impossible, that they live together in harmony 

[Inliytened1]

54 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

He accused me of condoning violence on Oct 7th attack without any proof of me actually saying it. Thats pretty nasty of him

You're lucky I didn't give you a warning too.  I'm a lot calmer in my old age.

@Breakingthewall you shouldn't be calling people names either. 

[Topspin715]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm not racist , I think all the races are the same, but I don't respect fundamentalist of any race. Are you smart enough to understand that it's different a race that an ideology? I Know it's difficult for some people, let's see. Race is black, asian, etc. ideology is Islamic, Nazi, etc. Do you understand? Look, a Islamic could be asian or black or anything. I know there are difficult concepts, but work hard, do your best  and maybe you will get some of them,.over all never give up 

I am not a fundamentalist, nor am I religious, but I do at least strive to treat others with dignity who have different beliefs from me.  I fall short of this all the time but I at least try.

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Topspin715 said:

I am not a fundamentalist, nor am I religious, but I do at least strive to treat others with dignity who have different beliefs from me.  I fall short of this all the time but I at least try.

Sure me too, but when someone shows aggression it's hard for me not to respond, I guess I learned that as a child.

[James123]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Sure me too, but when someone shows aggression it's hard for me not to respond, I guess I learned that as a child.

This is the breaking point, can we do as turn the other cheek as Rumi?

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's very possible, But now there are guys from the new generation fighting in the war. To what extent are they committed? Certainly less than the Palestinians. The Palestinians carried out the massacre on October 7 to provoke the martyrdom of their people, thus demonstrating their absolute commitment to their cause. If I had to bet, I would bet that Palestine wins, Israel loses. Not today, not in 10 years, but in 20, 30 years, Israel disappears, Palestine remains. That would be my bet. 

There is something impossible, that they live together in harmony 

There are more Israelis that voluntarily left since the attack then the media will show

Since you brought up Muslims...In islam it teaches that If you kill one person it's as if you are killing the entire world. Maybe the Hamas attack was to provoke martyrdom but Palestinians are largely a muslim population which teaches to value all human life 

Edited January 15 by Twentyfirst

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

There are more Israelis that voluntarily left since the attack then the media will show

Normal, and when this war finish a lot of Jews will feel disgust of themselves and they will loose their self-esteem as a nation, since the Jews think that their main value is morality and the sense of justice, so that Hamas will win this war, it will be one more step to weaken Israel. Hamas knows perfectly what they are doing. Even I don't agree with them I can't but admire their commitment 

13 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Since you brought up Muslims...In islam it teaches that If you kill one person it's as if you are killing the entire world

Sure, and the Quran also says that it is legitimate to kill the enemies of Islam. "Enemies of Islam" is quite broad.

Edited January 15 by Breakingthewall

[Topspin715]

9 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think many here equate ethnic cleansing with genocide.   They believe Israel sees no distinction.  

People can be careless with language in politics and there's a huge difference between the two.  Sometimes out of spite, they will exaggerate and emotionalize conflicts for effect.  To understand what's going on, in my opinion at least, it's important to attune to all these subtleties.

While many people may not think there's much of a difference between ethnic cleansing and genocide, rhetorically and practically it makes a huge difference, especially when 2/3 of European Jews were wiped out in the Holocaust.  I hate seeing what is going on in Gaza but there is no effort to systematically eradicate the Palestinians.  To accuse Jews of doing that seems either very stupid to me or intentionally malicious.