Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[TheEnigma]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes. You imagine different degrees of realness. You imagine that a Skyrim dragon is less real than a skin and bones dragon.

Then is there such a thing as greed? And is it useful to judge people for it?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, r0ckyreed said:

That chef who cooked my pizza could have put poison in my pizza. When I order my pizza, I do not imagine poison in my pizza but yet that won’t stop me from dying.

1) This assumes that the pizza was made by someone other than Yourself, which is begging the question.

2) If a chef put poison in your pizza, then You imagine he put poison in your pizza.

3) The problem is the way unawakened people use the word "you" is misleading and wrong. "I did not imagine poison in the pizza" and "I did not make the pizza" is to be speaking of the false you. I am not claiming that ego imagines the poison or the pizza. A Self above the ego is being talked about. The ego-self's imagination is very limited. The ego does not know how to hallucinate edible pizzas. God is hallucinating the pizza, not the ego.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, TheEnigma said:

Then is there such a thing as greed? And is it useful to judge people for it?

There is whatever you imagine there is.

Sure, you imagine greed. Greed is as real as anything else.

Is it useful to judge people for it? Depends entirely on the situation. Sometimes it is useful if greed is getting out of control. But judgment and demonization can also backfire if taken too far. Your judgment could also just be wrong. Maybe that person is not as greedy as you believe. It is easy to project your stuff onto others.

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[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, Raze said:

Do imaginations have different degrees of realness? Or if I imagine a rainbow colored unicorn is it as real as the chair I’m sitting it?

When you reach awakening they will appear the same. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, r0ckyreed said:

I think what he is saying is that the fine dish requires something outside of your imagination to create it.

That is the thing at issue. Awakening is about realizing that the dish cannot require something outside of your imagination because your imagination is Total.

If you eat a pizza in a dream, was the pizza made by a chef, or by the dreamer?

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[r0ckyreed]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not claiming that ego imagines the poison or the pizza. A Self above the ego is being talked about

Good clarification.

 Yes, and the ego and God are one. The ego is God dreaming itself into a form that is not God such as a human. A human has limited intelligence and so therefore, relative to a human being, what it calls the “external world” is Infinity/God. So from a human perspective, a human isn’t imagining poison. Whether something is poisonous or not is imagined by Infinity not of the form. But at the same time, what is conscious of this text right now is not human, it is God.
 

It is hard to know where the ego ends and God begins. I cannot unimagine gravity, but God can. This I am still trying to understand. My answer so far is that the form cannot control The ALL. God is The ALL and I the human are one particular form of The ALL.

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[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

So from a human perspective, a human isn’t imagining poison.

Yes.

That's why it's so important to deconstruct the idea that you were ever human.

[r0ckyreed]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes.

That's why it's so important to deconstruct the idea that you were ever human.

But from your videos, you made it sound like all that I see, hear, and feel is all that exists. But it seems like God is more than just those perceptions even though perception is all I have access to.

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[r0ckyreed]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes.

That's why it's so important to deconstruct the idea that you were ever human.

But even if I deconstruct I am human, I will still be in the human form, eating and pooping just like every other human at the end of the day. I will still be faced with the limitations of the human brain and nervous system, as well as language and cognition. I haven’t experienced alien awakening yet obviously. But even if you awaken to alien intelligence, you cannot maintain that state.

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[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

But from your videos, you made it sound like all that I see, hear, and feel is all that exists. But it seems like God is more than just those perceptions even though perception is all I have access to.

That's where it gets tricky.

What you hear, see, and feel is all that exists, but in a minute you can hear, see, and feel more stuff, and you can be more conscious.

Just by turning your head you can see more stuff.

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[r0ckyreed]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Just by turning your head you can see more stuff.

This is getting deeper. Thank you. But as I turn my head 180 degrees. I still hold that there is a seen world and an unseen world. I see new stuff, but the stuff I don’t see anymore doesn’t cease to exist. The sun I just saw still exists even though I cannot perceive it now. Some would say this is what is meant by “external world” due to object permanence.

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[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

This is getting deeper. Thank you. But as I turn my head 180 degrees. I still hold that there is a seen world and an unseen world. I see new stuff, but the stuff I don’t see anymore doesn’t cease to exist. The sun I just saw still exists even though I cannot perceive it now. Some would say this is what is meant by “external world” due to object permanence.

That is the illusion. There is no object permananence. The past is imaginary.

Turning your head in a dream does not make it any realer. You can turn your head in VR too.

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[Hojo]

@Leo Gura If I eat poison dosent that mean that my higher form did it on pupose? Whether I knew about it or not.

 

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[Leo Gura]

42 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Leo Gura If I eat poison dosent that mean that my higher form did it on pupose? Whether I knew about it or not.

In a weird way, if you eat poison that is part of God's Perfection.

But God gave you a mind so that you can use it. Don't blame your irresponsibility on God.

God gave you the freedom to be foolish. Just like you can jump off a cliff in a video game. Is that the purpose of the game? No. But you can do it.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[r0ckyreed]

52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is the illusion. There is no object permananence. The past is imaginary.

Turning your head in a dream does not make it any realer. You can turn your head in VR too.

But if I close my eyes, the world doesn’t just cease to exist. It is still occurring in my mind-consciousness. You would think in a consciousness-dependent reality, that things couldn’t exist if you didn’t perceive them.

[Leo Gura]

55 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

But if I close my eyes, the world doesn’t just cease to exist.

It literally does.

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[Joseph Maynor]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It literally does.

For real?

[Wilhelm44]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It literally does.

But Leo, if I close my eyes, I can still hear the traffic in the distance.

When I close my ears, I can still feel the bed.

When I remove my sense of touch, and fall asleep, if someone then burns my skin with a hot iron, the next morning there will be a burn mark.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

But Leo, if I close my eyes, I can still hear the traffic in the distance.

When I close my ears, I can still feel the bed.

When I remove my sense of touch, and fall asleep, if someone then burns my skin with a hot iron, the next morning there will be a burn mark.

So you imagine.

The mistake you are making is that you are imagining imagination as some stupid, childish thing. Imagination is as precise and concrete as a bullet flying towards your head.

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[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So you imagine.

The mistake you are making is that you are imagining imagination as some stupid, childish thing. Imagination is as precise and concrete as a bullet flying towards your head.

All I'm saying is: Is the burn mark on my skin not proof that reality didn't actually disappear while I was sleeping ?