Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Butters said:

@Leo Gura is only consuming positive media an insult to my own intelligence? 

Of course.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Butters said:

How can Leo just watch these things without the subconscious reprogramming? And how can he expect his followers to? 

Truth

Truth

Truth

[VioletFlame]

25 minutes ago, Butters said:

@Leo Gura is only consuming positive media an insult to my own intelligence? 

I see it as a form of ignorance if you reject negative content/media. You're choosing to "turn a blind eye". The more uninformed we are, the more dangerous things can seem. Knowledge of all things, negative or positive, is protection; is your armor.

[LambdaDelta]

Another reason Epstein obviously operated under government backing is just how sloppy he was. You can see it in the files — dude sends blackmail drafts to himself in cleartext via Gmail, the general way he writes with zero respect for basic punctuation, formatting, capitalization, etc.
Plus his mansion is even more tasteless than anything Trump has ever built. Overall this is simply not a person of high intelligence whatsoever; any half-serious agency could have easily put a stop to his business had they wished, given how carelessly it was conducted. But at the same time that's how they wanted him to be — an asset that's smart, autonomous, and not compromised is too difficult to control. 

I'm something of an expert in the domain of scams, frauds, criminality, and similar shenanigans. What disgusts me most is never the evil — be evil if you want to, that's between you and God. Worst of all is the sloppiness, incompetence, negligence, complacency, lack of standards, no pride in the excellence of one's work.
But it's not just Epstein, the high levels of government aren't much better — like the idiots accidentally adding a journalist to their Signal group chat where they text top secret war plans a couple months ago. Nor is it limited to conservative/MAGA administrations; I've read stories from Social Security workers about the ancient COBOL codebase the whole thing runs on, or how one guy was regarded as a genius at his city hall because he introduced Word templates to replace some retarded way they were previously handling mail via manually printing, scanning, and shredding thousands of pages per day. The system is held together by duct tape, conformity, and the weight of its own scale and inertia. 

Those are the people in charge, so it's easy but also terrifying to extrapolate the level of an average person they govern. 
If you're like me and don't particularly care about survival, perhaps this insult to your intelligence can serve as part of the motivation to get off your ass and minimize the extent of control these clowns have over your life. 

[VioletFlame]

1 hour ago, Butters said:

How can Leo just watch these things without the subconscious reprogramming? And how can he expect his followers to? 

I think it's important to accept the truth and the reality that some things will and can never change, mainly because certain things are incapable of changing, like most psychopaths, murderers, corrupt leaders & teachers, etc. It's sad, but true. Once you can accept that this is the way existence has been since the beginning, for millenia, then you will feel more free, liberated from suffering, & you will feel way happier in the long run.

Also, I think it's important to note that watching these things doesn't mean you are cold, or unaffected by the information. (You can also train yourself to redirect your biases, paradigms, conditioning, or programming.) If anything, watching such things can actually increase your empathy and your ability to view things from different perspectives. Watching these things can increase our skills in empathy, especially cognitive empathy. Rule of thumb: Emotional empathy is the ability to feel others' feelings & thoughts. Cognitive empathy is the ability to intellectually understand another's thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. Emotional empathy is about connection and cognitive empathy can help a lot with things like negotiation, accountability, conflict resolution, & most importantly, understanding diverse viewpoints. Most people aren't even aware that cognitive empathy is a thing.

Edited 2 hours ago by VioletFlame

[Leo Gura]

Epistemic responsibility means following truth wherever it leads. If it leads to pedophile cannibals, so be it.

Growing a thicker skin is an important part of this work.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[VioletFlame]

 

15 minutes ago, VioletFlame said:

I think it's important to accept the truth and the reality that some things will and can never change, mainly because certain things are incapable of changing, like most psychopaths, murderers, corrupt leaders & teachers, etc. It's sad, but true. Once you can accept that this is the way existence has been since the beginning, for millenia, then you will feel more free, liberated from suffering, & you will feel way happier in the long run.

Also, I think it's important to note that watching these things doesn't mean you are cold, or unaffected by the information. (You can also train yourself to redirect your biases, paradigms, conditioning, or programming.) If anything, watching such things can actually increase your empathy and your ability to view things from different perspectives. Watching these things can increase our skills in empathy, especially cognitive empathy. Rule of thumb: Emotional empathy is the ability to feel others' feelings & thoughts. Cognitive empathy is the ability to intellectually understand another's thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. Emotional empathy is about connection and cognitive empathy can help a lot with things like negotiation, accountability, conflict resolution, & most importantly, understanding diverse viewpoints. Most people aren't even aware that cognitive empathy is a thing.

Exactly what I'm saying @Leo Gura Acceptance of Truth and reality itself is very freeing and an antidote to internal suffering & discord. Choosing this mentality is being epistimetically responsible, wouldn't you say?

The "so be it" mentality is acceptance for what is and for what is irrevocable, or out of our control.

Edited 2 hours ago by VioletFlame

[Butters]

46 minutes ago, VioletFlame said:

I see it as a form of ignorance if you reject negative content/media. You're choosing to "turn a blind eye". The more uninformed we are, the more dangerous things can seem. Knowledge of all things, negative or positive, is protection; is your armor.

I agree with most of your comments, but for this one I'd say: are you watching news from local government in Pakistan? Why not? Are you turning a blind eye? No. At some point you realize most global news and stuff has zero relevance to your life, and watching only makes you feel bad. However it can be studied like we do here, that's fine. But just consuming it is bad imo. 

[Butters]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Truth

Truth

Truth

But I thought solipsism. If solipsism then no. Where attention goes, energy flows. These things I focus on in my consciousness are the truths that I create. 

Yes if you can watch this and detach your identity from it, but can you? Most people can't do that. Suicide and mental health issues are through the roof with law enforcement. The lesson? Don't go into law enforcement. 

[Leo Gura]

@VioletFlame Yes

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Butters said:

But I thought solipsism.

You live in a corrupt civilization regardless of solipsism.

21 minutes ago, Butters said:

Yes if you can watch this and detach your identity from it, but can you? Most people can't do that.

This is too shallow.

I am not looking to detach my identity from evil. I am doing the opposite, I am identifying and integrating evil into Myself.

I don't watch and detach myself. I look at Epstein and enter his mind and realize he is me.

All the evil you wish to look away from needs to be integrated.

[Butters]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Truth

Truth

Truth

See I've thought about your comments here and I realize that this is the difference. Because honestly? I might be more interested in my survival than truth at this point. 

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I look at Epstein and enter his mind and realize he is me.

See, you are making a very serious spiritual study out of this. I just listened to some of the material and then I automatically felt bad, and then I had to work. Who is helped when I now feel bad trying to work? This doesn't help me. Positive thoughts do help, and I don't see the harm. 

But as a whole your work has absolutely turned me onto recognizing corruption and survival bias in things. Don't get me wrong, your blog is tremendous. 

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[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Butters said:

Who is helped when I now feel bad trying to work?

Dude, your attitude is that of a child who only wants to eat candy.

I am like a vulture, I will eat anything. I see a dead skunk on the side of road and eat it. That's what makes my mind strong.

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[VioletFlame]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am like a vulture, I will eat anything. I see a dead skunk on the side of road and eat it. That's what makes my mind strong.

Love this. His point is that it's important to want to understand everything about reality, including the bad/negative stuff. That's having cognitive empathy. Actively avoiding the negative aspects of life is survival. If we can consume, digest, & metabolize the negative stuff, it won't make us weaker, it ultimately makes us stronger, more aware, and more capable of seeing multiple perspectives. It's just like how feeling into a negative emotion, like allowing yourself to cry is so healing and therapeutic. Toxic positivity is a real thing too and is rooted in fear & denial. 

Edited 1 hour ago by VioletFlame

[Lyubov]

You def gotta be careful with what information you take in. Reading about all the cruelty and disgusting behavior can skew your mind in unhelpful ways and disconnect you inside in ways you aren’t conscious of when you hear or see realities about the world your ego probably doesn’t want to accept at first. Kind of like those women who listen to nothing but true crime and walk through the world scared of everything. The truth is there are people on this earth making a lot of choices based in some of the most absurd and disgusting lies imaginable. Obviously the news and media blows it up some, you don’t need to throw out all trust with your neighbor and people around you, but the reality is there are some cruel people on this earth. I can’t say I entirely accept this always. Sometimes wanting to disturb myself about it seems like the familiar path for coping with these truths but keep in mind not much good comes about from a disturbed mind. I think everyone is navigating the news about our politicians as it unfolds. Some of us are shocked, some are laughing at memes about it, some of us are disgusted and disturbed. I think the one thing I at least say I want to take away form this and live more wisely is that we gotta be there for ourselves through it and realize it’s possible to be happy and at peace in a world of chaos. 

[VioletFlame]

Please, take it from someone who has direct experience with "evil" and profound cruetly, who has survived through it and overcame. Please read my story. I was literally raped as a little girl by a family member, but I still choose to come from a place of understanding, grace, & empathy. This is epistemic responsibility. It's my perspective on it that saved me. I am a living testimony of someone who has healed themselves & reprogrammed their mind/outlook on one of the most difficult, horrific traumas anyone in this life could experience. Most people can't do this, for a number of different reasons, to which are understandable. But this is why I shared my most deeply personal and significant life experience with the forum because I believe others can, and I'm hoping it will teach someone something, particularly on the importance of switching your perspective on negative/traumatic events, circumstances, or situations, whether they are collective or personal. Most people who endure this type of trauma either end up in prison as felons, addicted to drugs, and some may even murder people. Switching your perspective on these things is the antidote. Embody grace. It will free you tremendously. The traumatic "negative" experience made me stronger, wiser, and gave me a deep desire and willingness to make my life beautiful and profound. There's always a light somewhere in the darkness, even if you don't notice it right away. If there's a crack in something, that is how the light can shine through, and the light is You, as well as the darkness. If you can love your worst enemy and learn to love what happened to you, including the bad things, you are at least, to some great degree, spiritually enlightened. 

Edited 46 minutes ago by VioletFlame

[Leo Gura]

@VioletFlame Great to see. Thanks for sharing.

[vibv]

God has no choice but experience everything deeply & intimately.

In fact there is a choice, but it is always the same: It is LOVE.

That's why TRUTH=LOVE=FREEDOM. It chooses EVERYTHING.

[VioletFlame]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@VioletFlame Great to see. Thanks for sharing.

Aw thank you @Leo Gura It is my pleasure sharing this. Feel free to use me as an example haha, it might just work. Sometimes it can be more powerful and eye-opening for someone to hear when it's coming from the person with direct experience; from the victims/survivors themselves. 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, VioletFlame said:

Sometimes it can be more powerful and eye-opening for someone to hear when it's coming from the person with direct experience; 

For sure. For sure.

Me lecturing sexual victims with metaphysics of Love will not work.

Edited 22 minutes ago by Leo Gura