Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura Your claim that they are bad at coding is so limited. I code with them on a daily basis. It's gotten so good to the point that I can make a fully coded app front-end without a single error, in 1 shot prompting, and the design is unlike anything I see online. This was possible in the past 1 month with Gemini 3 pro release. You are talking about tech that's 8 months ago. 

When was the last time you actually tried coding with it, because if you didn't your opinion is out-dated and philosophical. 

And sure, they lie a lot, but I'm looking often at what I can see with my eyes - the laundry example in robots, the video game that Pieter Levels made with AI, etc. 

Edited December 15, 2025 by Jayson G

[Leo Gura]

@Jayson G 

 

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura your evidence is a video of a guy who says the stuff that I experienced myself as well many months ago. I get where he's coming from. But again, just last month things changed a lot. 

https://geo-void-explorer.lovable.app 

Try this for example. It's a 3D space, with beautiful visuals, etc. I did this with a single prompt. It's fluid motion, and no errors. I literally just did a single prompt with Gemini 3 pro. Before this it was doing terrible design, buggy code on basic CRUD apps, etc. 

These opinions are a bi-product of the tech of where its at right now, but to react at what's there right now and think that that's the future is premature. 

And keep in mind, I'm not a coder and stuff. For people deeply involved, they are getting 100x more value than me. People who are frustrated just don't know how to use the tools, and are also using wrong tools, or expecting something when the tech isn't ready. They are actually improving and I constantly see that over time. To think also that it's used up all the data of the internet for training is also wrong. Clearly it used that up a long time ago so then why are many areas of application dramatically improving?

Edited December 15, 2025 by Jayson G

[LoneWonderer]

35 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I do not have a car.

Do you live in or near a city in AU? I'm just wondering if AU is anything like NZ because here even if you live in Auckland, public transport is bad at best and very basic public transport rest of country, makes it hard to move around.

Back in Europe I would NEVER own a car but here in NZ it's quite difficult if not impossible.

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

Try this for example. It's a 3D space, with beautiful visuals, etc. I did this with a single prompt.

Coding basic good-looking websites is very simple these days. There are so many tools for this. This does not represent a serious programming project.

AI is not capable of replacing human programmers.

Yes, AI is good at coding short, small, self-contained projects like a little PacMan game or personal website. But it cannot code a professional corporate project. An LLM will never be able to do that.

Edited December 15, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

Look, I could be wrong. Please form your own conclusions.

But I am pushing back on the AGI hype train. Calling their bluff.

Let's see who's right in 3 years.

Edited December 15, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Jayson G]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Coding basic good-looking websites is very simple these days. There are so many tools for this. This does not represent a serious programming project.

AI is not capable of replacing human programmers.

Yes, AI is good at coding short, small, self-contained projects like a little PacMan game or personal website. But it cannot code a professional corporate project. An LLM will never be able to do that.

@Leo Gura yes right now it can't. But the entire silicon valley right now is using a coding IDE. It doesn't code everything but most serious programmers are using cursor. Y-combinator has evidence on their batches, and they report that more than 50% are using cursor. 

https://fly.pieter.com/ .. this is also a video game made by Pieter Levels. I'm not saying the tech is ultra good enough to do big things. I'm just saying its far better than it was 6 months ago. If it's far better, its more and more doing more capable things. Design has improved immensely. 3D environments as well. 

Corporate wise, AI phone agents are now replacing many actual receptionists, and they are good. AI lead generation systems as well. 

The technology right now is crude yes, but its getting better and better each month.

[Jayson G]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Look, I could be wrong. Please form your own conclusions.

But I am pushing back on the AGI hype train. Calling their bluff.

Let's see who's right in 3 years.

@Leo Gura AGI is different from developments in coding. AGI is largely fantasy with some truth and evidence and direction. 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Jayson G said:

Corporate wise, AI phone agents are now replacing many actual receptionists

 

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Jayson G said:

@Leo Gura AGI is different from developments in coding. AGI is largely fantasy with some truth and evidence and direction. 

I will argue that you can't do serious code without AGI.

[Jayson G]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I will argue that you can't do serious code without AGI.

Then why is most of NVIDIA employees using AI-assisted coding? (well thats what Jensen claims at least)

And that phone agent video is quite spot on. I was ordering dominoes many months ago, or when I have to get a visit to the doctor, I always immediately say "Transfer me to a human right now." 

Not saying I like the experience, but I guess it financially does the job for companies, whether its quality experience or not. 

Edited December 15, 2025 by Jayson G

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

Then why is most of NVIDIA employees using AI-assisted coding? (well thats what Jensen claims at least)

They are paid $3 trillion dollars to lie to you.

You asked the fox in the hen-house if he has eaten any chickens. And you trust him?

Haha

If you gave me $3 trillion dollars, I would use AI all day long. I would have AI clean my toilets. Then I would pay a wage slave on the side to actually clean my toilets while you are gawking at how awesome I am.

Edited December 15, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura I know Jensen is biased actually also. The way he holds trump as god is quite off. But other times he comes off as quite honest. Who knows though? Yeah financial incentive on that level can do that kind of stuff though, so its quite possible. 

I'm quite put off by the AGI phenomena now. I now rarely listen to Sam Altman, Peter Diamandis, etc. Peter and his crew are so so so caught up, as it seems now from my POV, its almost shocking. They get off on the hype train. 

What I'm trying to do is not form an opinion on the actual final conclusion in 5 years because there are traps and lies everywhere. 

Edited December 15, 2025 by Jayson G

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

he comes off as quite honest.

He is honest. Honestly high on his own supply.

[Jayson G]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He is honest. Honestly high on his own supply.

@Leo Gura I don't think we can honestly know what is true and what is not for the most part sitting on the outside sidelines. Hype train bias? for sure. I've seen he's all AI-biased. He has an argument for every possible AI scenario being on the positive side of history. He doesn't think there's a negative scenario in AI for the most part, which sounds too biased.

Edited December 15, 2025 by Jayson G

[Leo Gura]

Give me $3 trillion and I will only see rainbows and unicorns ahead.

I'll even lick Trump's asshole as a free bonus!

Edited December 15, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura loll yeah I can see that being possible with him, my biggest internal struggle is sorting truth from falsehood. It's frustrating at times. Reality is messy

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura one big thing I've been trying to understand is if its true that "USA needs to win the AI development war so as not to be dominated by China." Eric Schmidt for example is big on this. Sometimes I can see merit to this. Other times, I question whether I have some bias here or some blind spot or some truth I'm missing.

From one angle the manhattan project was just that. Us winning led partly to hitler being stopped, if I understand correctly. 

To add to that Trump, even though I know how incredibly corrupt he is, is activating this AI development largely. So is he doing good here? or is this whole thing grounded in falsehood. 

I don't even know how to derive at the truth here. 

It could also just be a way for America to get more power, maybe its just Eric's biased towards being identified with the US military. USA is always on a drive to get more and more power. It could just be that.

It could be that these powerful people use some truth to support a largely false argument, to weaponize some truth, or it could actually be true, which maybe I'll never know without all the facts. 

Edited December 15, 2025 by Jayson G

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

From one angle the manhattan project was just that. Us winning led partly to hitler being stopped, if I understand correctly. 

Nukes did not help stop Hitler in any way.

What stopped Hitler was millions of Russian bodies. My grandparents stopped Hitler.

Quote

So is he doing good here? or is this whole thing grounded in falsehood

Let's see how you feel about that when the AI market bubble implodes and half your savings is wiped out overnight. And the Fed prints so much money to backstop the implosion that a carton of eggs costs $20.

That's where we are headed fast.

Edited December 15, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura Well its a good thing I don't eat eggs lol 

But nah I hope you're wrong. Though now feels similar to the dotcom hype to crash.