Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[CARDOZZO]

22 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

It was really strange because it was a mix of sexual feelings and fear. 

I felt a sexual vibe around her. She was praying with a malicious smirk on her face.

It was dark. I opened my eyes and she was glowing inside a white aura (like a bubble). 

[hundreth]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are just factually mistaken.

I has been shown to work over and over again in controlled environments.

That's what Russell Targ's CIA lab did. They spent a decade doing this.

 

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The credibility of Russell Targ’s CIA-sponsored remote viewing studies at SRI has been heavily debated. While the original researchers (Targ, Puthoff, et al.) reported statistically significant results suggesting real psychic abilities, most independent scientists and peer reviewers have expressed deep skepticism, citing methodological flaws, lack of replicability, and biases in experimental design and analysis.

Oh those evil academics and scientists at it again, always ruining a good time.

Yeah, we could throw away all skepticism and concern regarding these studies and believe whatever we want - or we could use Occam's razor and see that in the context of all controlled paranormal experimentation there are no verifiable results. They tried to replicate the results independently, they could not. 

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Oh those evil academics and scientists at it again, always ruining a good time.

Evil no, stupid yes.

You can take your Occam's Razor and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Edited Wednesday at 03:36 PM by Leo Gura

[hundreth]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Evil no, stupid yes.

These are same types of issues plaguing RFK as our head of HHS. 

Academics and scientists use the same rigor to dismiss bogus claims about the root causes of autism. In this scenario, you're for it. Yet, when the shoe is on the other foot and the same problems exist you've allowed your biases to guide you. 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, hundreth said:

you've allowed your biases to guide you.

My understanding of epistemology, metaphysics, and Consciousness is what guides me.

[Rafael Thundercat]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Binaural beats work. They change your brain wave state. But whether this results in OBEs is going to be a pretty rare genetic thing. For me they never result in OBEs or any mystical states. But they do change my state.

@Leo Gura have you tried neural beats and psycadelics. If yes  there is any good one for the trip?

[Salvijus]

15 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

It was dark. I opened my eyes and she was glowing inside a white aura (like a bubble). 

Score 

Edited yesterday at 06:52 AM by Salvijus

[abundance]

1 hour ago, jimwell said:

Thanks.

I've found a better playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0NI6PrkM4RHojdKh17w9Ku?si=c81f03c926204f71

I want to try this but I hesitate because of the risks. Schizophrenia runs in my family. My grandmother suffered from it. At this point in my life, I can't take such risks.

 

Damn! This has made me more hesitant.

Same. I don't think I've ever heard of binaural beats inducing schizophrenia though. With that said you definitely want to have an established meditation practice before delving into it (this includes psychedelics). This will allow you to ground yourself and stay present when you feel you're 'losing control'. 

Edited Wednesday at 04:22 PM by abundance

[zurew]

I dont understand why there isn't any substantial debate happening and why again time is wasted on rhetoric.

 

Leo you got challenged and this is a topic where everyone could learn a fuckton about epistemology and about epistemic standards and about the validity of remote viewing and about how to navigate disagreements around esoteric topics - the only thing you need to do is to respond to the challenges posed by the skeptics.

 

Why not show that they have an unreasonable standard or that the evidence is so overwhelming that they are completely stupid and they must have big cognitive dissonance in order to reject the validity of certain studies?

 

Your responses so far dont demonstrate that you can navigate the complexity of these topics and your response is compatible with a pre-rational persons view of things. ( i have never seen you engage in depth with any challenge)

Why should anyone think based on what you provided that you have any more justified or grounded view on this particular topic than a pre-rational person?

 

 

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In fact we have at least one good reason to think that you cant navigate these discussions and you are nowhere near as competent around these topics as you try to make yourself to be - is the fact that you made some claims about healing and then you had to backtrack those claims - why should we think that the same epistemology that generated those claims about healing isn't what generated your belief about remote viewing or about any other esoteric topic?

Edited Wednesday at 05:40 PM by zurew

[Raskara]

I think it would be incredibly insightful if Leo shared any personal experiences he's had with remote viewing if he's ever attempted it. It would be especially interesting to hear how, if at all, those experiences correlate with one's baseline state of consciousness. Given that Leo presents himself as someone who has accessed a uniquely awakened state perhaps beyond what most spiritual masters have experienced, his perspective could offer a valuable bridge between altered states and the mechanics of remote viewing.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

Why should anyone think based on what you provided that you have any more justified or grounded view on this particular topic than a pre-rational person?

I am not here to convince you to believe anything I say. Do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

I am not going to do any work to convince you of paranormal things.

I share ideas with you, and if you don't want to believe them, fine by me.

Edited Wednesday at 06:29 PM by Leo Gura

[integral]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not here to convince you to believe anything I say. Do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

I am not going to do any work to convince you of paranormal things.

I share ideas with you, and you don't want to believe them, fine by me.

Right but what he likely wants is your epistemic strategy to be laid out in a clearer way. (Even if all of actualized.org is basically it)

Of course the second you lay it out there will be a rational paradigm pushback, So what's the epistemology that transcends rational thinking? What does that look like, how does one do it?

Edited Wednesday at 06:38 PM by integral

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, integral said:

what he likely wants is your epistemic strategy to be laid out in a clearer way

The strategy is to be extremely intelligent and careful.

[gengar]

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You expect Wikipedia to present obscure facts that make it easy to disprove materialism?

That's not how society works.

Wikipedia is the establishment. Wikipedia's job is to maintain the mainstream social consensus. Wikipedia is the fucking Matrix. It's like you're asking the Matrix for empirical facts to debunk the Matrix and then you are surprised it withholds them from you.

If you seek uncommon knowledge you must look a little further than Wikipedia.

I was under the impression that if hard material facts are true and proven over time, and known by enough people, the consensus pushes it through to be on wikipedia.

Guess I was wrong, although I still don't understand how, when it is truly proven by enough people, it hasn't seeped through to mainstream consciousness if it's proven to have worked materially.

I know wikipedia is the matrix, I just didn't expect the matrix to be so strong to even be able to deny proven things in consensus reality.

It's not even like they ignore the issue, the entire article is a whole counternarrative about remote-viewing not being false.
You'd expect the Truth to seep through especially now since enough people seem to have already proven it.

If wikipedia denies it despite knowing the good research proving otherwise, they are in fact lying.

[Leo Gura]

It's more omission than denial.

It's easy to omit spiritual things.

You know, if you doubt these things you can go hire a psychic and test them.

How many psychics have you hired and tested?

Edited Wednesday at 06:59 PM by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Anyone exploring Gateway - a warning

Do not go into this fucking about 

Take it slow. Read the precursor pdf. Don't move past Wave 1 until you can finish that tape with no fear. Really attempt to perform the exercises of removing and releasing fear based thoughts that come through waves 2 3 etc. 

Feeling your blood pumping and your body vibrating are very common, but you can have visuals show up also. Your fear based thoughts can mess with this. 

I have spoken on this previously. Just repeat the first waves until it's easy. Yes you will sometimes 'click out' and Monroe's voice will scare the shit out of you 🤣. 

Relax and enjoy, don't go into it expecting anything. 

The most common effects are enhanced focus, peace & a grounded, profound state of connection. OBEs really don't happen until focus 12 and up - they can happen earlier but they are very rare 

Edited Wednesday at 07:37 PM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Adding also - on OBEs 

These aren't experiences I personally feel you should aim for. The tapes are a curiosity in experience for change in state and connection.

OBEs.... You know that feeling or pure terror when you suddenly trip, or fall down the last step of stairs... Or wake up feeling like you are falling as you are going to sleep? That's what OBEs feel like when you realise what's happening. There is pure terror and fear. 

The tapes aim to erase all that fear and train you to control it, so you don't become paralysed by it when you reach alternate states of consciousness. 

I think the tapes are very positive - get them in .FLAC or lossless if you can. 

This is just my warning to respect the Gateway Process.

[abundance]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Anyone exploring Gateway - a warning

Do not go into this fucking about 

Take it slow. Read the precursor pdf. Don't move past Wave 1 until you can finish that tape with no fear. Really attempt to perform the exercises of removing and releasing fear based thoughts that come through waves 2 3 etc. 

Feeling your blood pumping and your body vibrating are very common, but you can have visuals show up also. Your fear based thoughts can mess with this. 

I have spoken on this previously. Just repeat the first waves until it's easy. Yes you will sometimes 'click out' and Monroe's voice will scare the shit out of you 🤣. 

Relax and enjoy, don't go into it expecting anything. 

The most common effects are enhanced focus, peace & a grounded, profound state of connection. OBEs really don't happen until focus 12 and up - they can happen earlier but they are very rare 

Thanks for the insight. Is it normal to experience the intense vibrations already on epsisode 1 (orientation)? I really liked the peace I experienced afterwards (despite a brief moment in which I felt I was losing my mind). I just want to know what I'm getting myself into before moving forward.  I have a meditation practice which I am hoping will ground me better if I have negative thoughts or see any scary entities. 

[gengar]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Binaural beats work. They change your brain wave state. But whether this results in OBEs is going to be a pretty rare genetic thing. For me they never result in OBEs or any mystical states. But they do change my state.

In you guys experience, do the different levels of binaural beats actually work as advertised, with different levels giving different effects like spiritual, cognitive, etc?

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 hours ago, abundance said:

Thanks for the insight. Is it normal to experience the intense vibrations already on epsisode 1 (orientation)? I really liked the peace I experienced afterwards (despite a brief moment in which I felt I was losing my mind). I just want to know what I'm getting myself into before moving forward.  I have a meditation practice which I am hoping will ground me better if I have negative thoughts or see any scary entities. 

Yes, very normal and a widely reported effect.

I feel like episode one and Wave 3 iron out my brain, so to speak. 

My thoughts feel very clear and unmuddied by tangents and spirals of renumeration, which are more typical, as we all have running thoughts in the background we aren't fully aware of. I use them before work, and on my break, as my work is complex & stressful. I am managing many complex working systems & am required to find creative solutions to unique problems. I apply the focus gained to a task, as I feel having a direct aim induces the states easier. You could try this with contemplative work, or school work etc. It is excellent for working with complex mathematical systems.

You can just float around in 'The Way to Hemi Sync' which is an introduction to the sounds, without Roberts voice guiding you. You should be able to find this on Spotify under The Gateway Experience.