UK: Exit polls show Labour landslide

[thenondualtankie]

UK actualizers, what do you hope for with a Labour government?

Starmer is uninspiring but maybe with a strong Labour win they'll be able to achieve something.

Live tracking: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jul/04/uk-general-election-results-2024-live-in-full

[Danioover9000]

@thenondualtankie

40 minutes ago, thenondualtankie said:

UK actualizers, what do you hope for with a Labour government?

Starmer is uninspiring but maybe with a strong Labour win they'll be able to achieve something.

Live tracking: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jul/04/uk-general-election-results-2024-live-in-full

   I hope they lessen immigration, make tougher laws against knife crimes, maybe more tax benefits and more financial security for families. Hopefully they take some money off of London and spread it more to other areas in the UK that actually needs the money. And I hope they stop Christianphobia here because that's been number one historical culture here, plus they help stop the European white hate from the Just Stop Oil people, hopefully they stop them desiccate Stonehenge and other European culture sites. What else...better property rights, better management of tax payer money, stop treating criminals like they princesses...I think that's it so far. I'm optimistic they'll do these things if pressured in the right direction, which I honestly believe so because most labor can be pressured into anything with enough money and intimidation. 

Edited July 4, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Basman]

Not surprised by this polling. Conservatives absolutely fucked the UK.

It is not uncommon for a populace to shift further left politically when the current establishment isn't serving the majority and there's a desire for change.

[Danioover9000]

@Basman

49 minutes ago, Basman said:

Not surprised by this polling. Conservatives absolutely fucked the UK.

It is not uncommon for a populace to shift further left politically when the current establishment isn't serving the majority and there's a desire for change.

   But what about the communists? Haven't they screwed up Russia too?

[Heaven]

1 hour ago, Basman said:

Not surprised by this polling. Conservatives absolutely fucked the UK.

It is not uncommon for a populace to shift further left politically when the current establishment isn't serving the majority and there's a desire for change.

I can’t agree more..

Leo is on the extreme left and as much as it sounds “woke” and more connected to the Truth. It’s just not working in the UK nor USA/Canada

[Heaven]

48 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Basman

   But what about the communists? Haven't they screwed up Russia too?

Russia is screwed because of corruption not because it’s communist. They didn’t enforce important laws and this is the result. Also you can’t compare their geography and resources to the UK

[Tomtad]

I'm biased because I work for a green energy company but I'm hoping that they can speed up the transition to renewable energy.

I voted for lib dem though, I feel like they or green party are more conscious parties, but I don't know much about politics, just my feeling. What are other people's thoughts? 

Which party leader do you think is in the highest spiral dynamics stage? 

[Danioover9000]

   Man fuck the Labor party! Winning like that. Man I hope they actual do something useful or there'll be freaking drive byes on them people!👿

[BlueOak]

9 hours ago, Tomtad said:

I'm biased because I work for a green energy company but I'm hoping that they can speed up the transition to renewable energy.

I voted for lib dem though, I feel like they or green party are more conscious parties, but I don't know much about politics, just my feeling. What are other people's thoughts? 

Which party leader do you think is in the highest spiral dynamics stage? 

I was going to vote for Rejoin EU because every vote for them would be a significant increase in their numbers. I live in a conservative area where nothing ever shifts; which is both good and bad at times, because it is a very stable area here. I ended up not going in. When many of my preferences are so far out of alignment with the mainstream (or just suppressed entirely), voting isn't usually in my interest. A non-vote being counted in that case is preferable. If there was a chance the conservatives here would be unseated I might think differently.

For example, in the local elections earlier in the year, Independents were the only group to rival the conservatives in my area, and they got pretty close when counted as a collective; the conservatives still got a majority but not a big one.

I see all the major parties as centrists or right-wingers, and reform as extreme right. For me, there isn't much in it. Labor generally serves the top 20%, and conservatives the top 5–10%. The Greens always seemed very centered, with an environmental bias (which is something all parties need), and the Lib Dems I honestly don't know what they stand for these days. That's not a dig at them, but in my perspective, they didn't carve out an identity I could point to. I think getting the message out about what each party and candidate stands for is something ALL of them fail at these days, because most fight over the center ground, and in local elections here for the council, many barely bother to write more than a line.

20 years ago I would have called the Lib Dems the student party or the party for the youth. These days, I have no idea.

As for which is the most conscious? If they don't have a strong environmental agenda they have no viable long term strategy. So I would say Green, and if there was even a small chance a Green candidate could win here I'd probably vote that way.

 

15 hours ago, Heaven said:

I can’t agree more..

Leo is on the extreme left and as much as it sounds “woke” and more connected to the Truth. It’s just not working in the UK nor USA/Canada

What is the extreme left? If leo is on the extreme left, where am I off the cliff?

I always find these analogies fun, so don't take that too seriously, for me he's more center-left, with a heavily liberal bias and a heavy anti-socialist bias, but more in reality than my innate idealism. BTW idealism is desperately needed right about now, in culture and art most of all. Whereas I have an anti-authoritarian bias (which I've worked on a lot) and a lesser bias toward the underdog.
 

Edited July 5, 2024 by BlueOak

[Danioover9000]

   Labor won't be doing anything at all, just a bunch of virtue signaling change this and change that.

[Tomtad]

@BlueOak I know what you mean about lib dem but maybe the fact they don't have a strong identity is a good thing because they're covering each policy/area fairly sensibly and they're not too attention grabbing. 

Their ego isn't as big you could say? 

Edited July 6, 2024 by Tomtad
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[zazen]

With voter turnout of  57% and Labour securing only 35% of that vote, we're looking at a mere fifth of eligible voters actually backing Labour. Yet this meager 20% support translates into a vast 160-seat majority? This is hailed as representative democracy. 

After 14 years the Tories are spent offering nothing but stale crumbs of failed policies and promises. Labour's victory echoes Blair's 1997 landslide. Don't be fooled by the changing of the guard. The ruling class understand the game well. They know the importance of these political intermissions to appease public discontent - periods that allow for the illusion of change while ensuring the status quo remains unthreatened. Public pressure needs to be alleviated like a release valve.

Just look at Starmers campaign to destroy Jeremy Corbyn. We're talking about a man who's been the beating heart of Labour for half a century. Corbyn's record is a list of fights for justice: battling fascism, opposing apartheid, championing nuclear disarmament, and standing up for the oppressed from Ireland to Palestine. He stood against the Iraq War when it was deeply unpopular, earning himself international peace awards.

Yet, Starmer attempts to obliterate Corbyn's political legacy. This isn't just internal party politics; it's a ruthless purge of anyone who dares to challenge the blood-soaked status quo. This is the same Starmer who, as Director of Public Prosecutions, helped persecute Julian Assange - another thorn in the side of the establishment. Starmer also denies that he said Israel had a right to block water and food from Gaza, which is caught on video.

Starmer is just a opportunist chameleon ever shifting to gain and maintain power and profit for himself and the establishment. There isn't even a Keir Starmer or a Rishi or whoever else, they are only placeholders for oligarchy and interests, avatars with different colours and labels. 
 

 

Edited July 6, 2024 by zazen

[BlueOak]

4 hours ago, Tomtad said:

@BlueOak I know what you mean about lib dem but maybe the fact they don't have a strong identity is a good thing because they're covering each policy/area fairly sensibly and they're not too attention grabbing. 

Their ego isn't as big you could say? 

That's an interesting perspective that could be true. I think the lib dem's party leader spent a lot of the campaign talking about himself however, using his identity as the reason to vote for the Lib Dems. This is a common theme in some of the smaller parties in Ireland and Wales also.  There still needs to be demonstrable reason to vote for them next time around, beyond just: The government is doing badly. The SNP's promotional material focused a great deal on their accomplishments as a selling point.

If you can demonstrate what these reasons are to the electorate, then you can give people an associated reason to vote for them in the future and build on that. 

I honestly think labor will struggle with their identity in the coming years unless the conservatives shift further right to eat up the reform vote which is possible. Then we'll have a centrist party (labor) vs a far-right party, if the conservatives fight again for the center ground, it could collapse labor's identity entirely.

'We are not them' only works once. Though you will hear, that undoing 15 years of X or Y takes time too as an excuse.

On the lib dems specifically, I will say they are much more strategic than reform is, they lock down the seats they do get, whereas reform spreads itself way too thin, perhaps reform had to do that this time around to see where they were strongest.

Edited July 6, 2024 by BlueOak

[Danioover9000]

@zazen

1 hour ago, zazen said:

With voter turnout of  57% and Labour securing only 35% of that vote, we're looking at a mere fifth of eligible voters actually backing Labour. Yet this meager 20% support translates into a vast 160-seat majority? This is hailed as representative democracy. 

After 14 years the Tories are spent offering nothing but stale crumbs of failed policies and promises. Labour's victory echoes Blair's 1997 landslide. Don't be fooled by the changing of the guard. The ruling class understand the game well. They know the importance of these political intermissions to appease public discontent - periods that allow for the illusion of change while ensuring the status quo remains unthreatened. Public pressure needs to be alleviated like a release valve.

Just look at Starmers campaign to destroy Jeremy Corbyn. We're talking about a man who's been the beating heart of Labour for half a century. Corbyn's record is a list of fights for justice: battling fascism, opposing apartheid, championing nuclear disarmament, and standing up for the oppressed from Ireland to Palestine. He stood against the Iraq War when it was deeply unpopular, earning himself international peace awards.

Yet, Starmer attempts to obliterate Corbyn's political legacy. This isn't just internal party politics; it's a ruthless purge of anyone who dares to challenge the blood-soaked status quo. This is the same Starmer who, as Director of Public Prosecutions, helped persecute Julian Assange - another thorn in the side of the establishment. Starmer also denies that he said Israel had a right to block water and food from Gaza, which is caught on video.

Starmer is just a opportunist chameleon ever shifting to gain and maintain power and profit for himself and the establishment. There isn't even a Keir Starmer or a Rishi or whoever else, they are only placeholders for oligarchy and interests, avatars with different colours and labels. 
 

 

   Sure, but Jeremy Corbyn is a Champaign socialist commie as well. Nuclear disarmament? Russia and China would be happy about that. Battling fascism? Don't know about that one, sounded like virtue signaling. Good points in him fighting the oppression of Palestinians, even though most of his party betrayed him.🤣

   But when it comes to clean energy, nuclear plants is the only way forwards that's realistic. Solar? Not enough. Methane gases? Not enough. Oil? Enough for now. Nuclear when done right? The holy grail of energy for mankind.

Edited July 6, 2024 by Danioover9000