Sadhguru confirms God is not the end.

[bammy32]

@Javfly33 You're not seriously addressing anything I've said, just more non-dual BS undercutting and gaslighting.

You enjoy your hallucinated infinite beingness, don't mind me if I stay basking in and as God's Infinite Beauty and Love.

I already feel sorry for Leo and others who have to deal with this shit on the regular.

[Javfly33]

32 minutes ago, bammy32 said:

@Javfly33 You're not seriously addressing anything I've said, just more non-dual BS undercutting and gaslighting.

You enjoy your hallucinated infinite beingness, don't mind me if I stay basking in and as God's Infinite Beauty and Love.

I already feel sorry for Leo and others who have to deal with this shit on the regular.

Ok, I will adress:

@bammy32

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The current state you’re in is one claiming you’re being the ‘True Self’ because you’ve found the permanent backdrop of infinite consciousness in the present moment and then pointing imaginary people to this place and claiming that the past awakenings they’ve had don’t mean shit

I didn´t say they don't mean shit.

They are important because they are stepping stone.

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God is creating everything in any state though man.

God is not creating anything because there is no God, just You.

You can get attached to certain thoughts or ways of being, which might produce the feeling that there is a God out there somewhere that limits you. 

The only reason you don´t experience Infinite Love now is because you are holding certain limitations now. 

 

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It’s a limitless consciousness that does whatever it wants

That is a thought you are holding. Where is this 'limitless consciousness' but in your own mind as a thought?

You is something else.

Is right here. But you are too attached to certain things right now to see it. I´m just giving you a hand. 

 

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espousing a really simplistic and even problematic spirituality. 

What im espousing is just Liberation.

If you are not interested in achieving Liberation in this life, you should not listen to me.

I don´t care about states, experiences, gods, understanding or anything. Simply Liberating Consciousness from all knots and entanglements that it has accumulated. 

 

All people are in endeavour, is just they are seeking it through unconscious ways such as a sex, love, drugs, alcohol, experiences, success, family, etc...

You either way are seeking the ultimate. The only question is are doing it in a way you will actually get there or are you getting entangled with all sorts of stuff which ultimately will fall short of what you are. 

 

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 God or Love altogether, which is just patently absurd

What I'm pointing out is a level of Freedom where not even Love exists. 

Whether you are aiming towards that in your current state of evolution is not my problem. But spirituality is going all the way. Not half way.

 

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I’m saying that THAT is a hallucination born of God/Love.

Hahahaha. 

God/Love is an hallucination of you.

But for that you need a surrender that right now is not achievable in your current state of Evolution. 

 

 

Edited June 25, 2024 by Javfly33

[nistake]

Y'all dreaming up Sadhguru.

[Javfly33]

2 minutes ago, nistake said:

Y'all dreaming up Sadhguru.

Kinda of.

But you too. 

[Ishanga]

11 hours ago, Davino said:

Bro your birth is conceptual

You thinking your mother is actually your mother is conceptual

The fact of being on planet earth is conceptual. People three thousands years ago watched arround and had no clue where the fuck they were or what is even going

So don't dismiss conceptuality to your favor, dismiss it for truth's sake

This is my point, what do you say is the Real Truthful thing?? I'm eager to know!

Drop a Brick on your foot, see how real it is...Experience is real, the body is real, the mind is real, it is just that it is not what we think it is, that is Maya, Maya does not mean things do not exist, things exist, just not as we perceive it too be at moments in time...

With communication as we are doing it here, this is all conceptual, but my Mother was real, maybe I was viewing/perceiving her thru filtered senses, but she was real as was Yours, and so forth, Real is relative and subjective, your truth is real to You, but a story to me, it is something along those lines...

This idea that there is only You, and the rest of Us are "Imaginary dreams" is bullocks, I'm as real as You, and so is everyone else, we live on a Dual world, and are given Free Will we just have to find it and use it and come to realize our Truest Potential...

[Davino]

18 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Drop a Brick on your foot, see how real it is...Experience is real, the body is real, the mind is real, it is just that it is not what we think it is, that is Maya, Maya does not mean things do not exist, things exist, just not as we perceive it too be at moments in time...

By that logic, isn't Maya also experience?

Don't do concepts exist as concepts? Making existentially true

Can't also concepts point to Truth? Like the concept of where you live that gets you home everyday.

18 hours ago, Ishanga said:

My Mother was real, maybe I was viewing/perceiving her thru filtered senses, but she was real as was Yours, and so forth, Real is relative and subjective, your truth is real to You, but a story to me, it is something along those lines...

How do you know she is your mother, for real?

You have a women that swears she is your mother, but how could you know for sure? Maybe you were adopted.

Also take into account that if a brick hit your head hard enough, it could erase the concept of "Mother" forever.

 

So again you use the concept of "concepts" in a ver self serving manner. Like a weapon that challenges your world view but you don't introspectively apply it, because if you did you would see what I'm saying and you would be able to use concepts to point to Truth and direct experiential Reality 

 

 

[Javfly33]

On 26/06/2024 at 1:08 AM, Ishanga said:

This idea that there is only You, and the rest of Us are "Imaginary dreams" is bullocks, I'm as real as You, and so is everyone else, we live on a Dual world, and are given Free Will we just have to find it and use it and come to realize our Truest Potential...

@Davino @Ishanga What if the Present Moment is Infinite and Especially The Present Moment is the same for all Beings and is where all Beings are existing?

Not "two" present moments, not "two" or more realities. Just One. How about that?

[Ishanga]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Davino @Ishanga What if the Present Moment is Infinite and Especially The Present Moment is the same for all Beings and is where all Beings are existing?

Not "two" present moments, not "two" or more realities. Just One. How about that?

The present Moment is all that exists, not as a thought or intellectual thinking process, because thought and thinking are mind based and mind is past/future memory/imagination focused, so when You are out of Your Mind, then all there is is NOW, and all Life is really only NOW..

If You were to travel back in time to Your High School grad or any other event, it would happen only in this present moment, same if You go into the future...We are so Mind based we cannot realize it, so the solution is too drop all thoughts of knowing and identification, then its right there...

 

[Keryo Koffa]

@Ishanga @Javfly33 @bammy32 All exists simultaneously, the "present moment" may be all that exists but our current experience is just one part of it that we happen to be tuned into, we use time (past and future) and space as a means of navigation and immersion to construct and change our reality within it. Thoughts are the outer layer of the onion but as valid as the world itself. All is absolute and relative simultaneously, operating in a feedback loop.

We share a reality and have our own, in greater terms, all emerges from a greater inner reality and is made distinct by perception and focus. Imagine us as the fruiting body, the mushroom above the mycelium network, there is no real separation and yet we can draw a distinction, interconnected under and distinct above, sense organs on the outer portion tune us into the reality we perceive and both access and generate our externalized world, despite possible distortions and interpretations.