Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Raze said:

Actually, you were the first to start posting AI text walls directed at me.

I never did that. I used IA in some cases presenting data and figures, not to assess someone else's opinions. Doing that is absolutely stupid. I don't understand why no one tells you to stop doing it. It's ridiculous. Why do you do it? You look like a little kid.

[BlueOak]

6 minutes ago, Raze said:

Wrong, there is international law, and it is being applied to Russia. Russia is currently the most sanctioned country in the world.

I don’t know what war you’re referring to that I tolerate. 

You’re using whatabaoutism to deflect from wars we are implicated in by pointing out wars we aren’t.

 

Regarding Russia: The only place in the world international law exists is in most of Europe. That's why Poland threatened to lock Putin up, but he could meet in Alaska just fine. I resist saying that because I don't believe international law applies to Europe when it doesn't suit them. It certainly exists nowhere else in the world.

Ergo there is no international law.

The sanctions are to stop the war, when it's done, so are the sanctions. There will be zero accountability for anyone involved in either of these wars.

Quote me any post you've ever made about ukranian civilian deaths. I am very happy to apologise and be proven wrong. For me the amount of energy you expend on one side of the argument is obvious, I am sorry it isn't to you.

Its a bit like if you tell me I support Ukraine more than Russia and I started arguing I didn't, it'd be transparent and obvious. All I try to do is bring everything to parity.

 

Edited 19 hours ago by BlueOak

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

Notice how you failed to dispute a single thing the AI ever said.  Because you can’t.

 

If you really think that, you are a lost cause. Anyway, you are boring. Bye. 

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I never did that. I used IA in some cases presenting data and figures, not to assess someone else's opinions. Doing that is absolutely stupid. I don't understand why no one tells you to stop doing it. It's ridiculous. Why do you do it? You look like a little kid.

The AI also works for debunking elementary level childish logic, so it tears apart your points.

Why should I put in any more effort when you lack the reading comprehension to even dispute evidence presented? Just a page ago I posted 5 pieces of video evidence disputing your claim and you ignored it and replied with stupid sarcasm.

Previously you asked for photograph evidence of starvation, I posted 5 images with over 8 people, you replied “same boy again”, the reply didn’t even make sense, it’s like you didn’t even look at my post but pretended you did and replied anyway, then you posted a stupid Instagram video which once again AI easily debunked.

Why do you do that? You’re the equivalent of a pigeon shitting on a chess board and thinking it won. It’s so blatantly stupid it’s baffling.

Edited 19 hours ago by Raze

[Raze]

7 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Regarding Russia: The only place in the world international law exists is in most of Europe. That's why Poland threatened to lock Putin up, but he could meet in Alaska just fine. I resist saying that because I don't believe international law applies to Europe when it doesn't suit them. It certainly exists nowhere else in the world.

Ergo there is no international law.

The sanctions are to stop the war, when it's done, so are the sanctions. There will be zero accountability for anyone involved in either of these wars.

Quote me any post you've ever made about ukranian civilian deaths. I am very happy to apologise and be proven wrong.

 

So why is it wrong for me to criticize Israel as Europe violates international law by supporting them.

There is international law, saying there isn’t because it isn’t followed evenly is like saying there isn’t law because there are criminals.

The sanctions are also in line with international law. If they weren’t the US and Europe would be selling weapons to Russia as well.

I never denied civilian deaths occurred in Ukraine. I post about Gaza because people here keep denying it or defending it there.

Edited 19 hours ago by Raze

[BlueOak]

13 minutes ago, Raze said:

So why is it wrong for me to criticize Israel as Europe violates international law by supporting them.

There is international law, saying there isn’t because it isn’t followed evenly is like saying there isn’t law because there are criminals.

The sanctions are also in line with international law. If they weren’t the US and Europe would be selling weapons to Russia as well.

I never denied civilian deaths occurred in Ukraine. I post about Gaza because people here keep denying it or defending it there.

Law only exists if it's applied.

If I were to violate the forum rules i'd be banned. 
If I wasn't and continued to get away with it, there would be rules in name but not in practice.

Europe and the US wouldn't be selling Russia weapons, because Russia is attacking Europe and trying to destabilise both Europe and the US internally. There are only sanctions because it suits these countries' and regions foreign policy; when it doesn't, they will evaporate.

I've never denied Russia has every reason, from their own perspective, for their war. It doesn't mean anyone here is going to say, "Oh well, Blue Oak, you know what? Your perspective is balanced and unbiased on this issue. 

Israel has every reason from their perspective for the war, as does Hamas, Ukraine and Russia. The methods by which Israel, Russia, China, and America are doing it is understandable given the state of international law and the context of the world currently.
 

Edited 19 hours ago by BlueOak

[Raze]

8 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Law only exists if it's applied.

If I were to violate the forum rules i'd be banned. 
If I wasn't and continued to get away with it, there would be rules in name but not in practice.

Europe and the US wouldn't be selling Russia weapons, because Russia is attacking Europe and trying to destabilise both Europe and the US internally. There are only sanctions because it suits these countries' foreign policy; when it doesn't, they will evaporate.

I've never denied Russia has every reason, from their own perspective, for their war. It doesn't mean anyone here is going to say, "Oh well, Blue Oak, you know what? Your perspective is balanced and unbiased on this issue. 

Israel has every reason from their perspective for the war, as does Hamas, Ukraine and Russia. The methods by which Israel, Russia, China, and America are doing it is understandable given the state of international law and the context of the world currently.
 

The US itself uses international law to justify many of their actions against Russia.

Whatever the reasons for following the law, in this case and others they apply it.

Russia is destabilizing the US because the US works against its interests.

That is false because you completely ignore the context of the population and the interest of the individual leader over the country as a whole. For example in israel many zionists were calling for the war to end claiming it was being extended by Netanyahu for his own personal interests. In the case of the US supporting Israel actually damages its interests in various ways. I also believe it damages the interests of humanity and the world as a whole even if shortsighted people can’t see it, so it has practical reasons outside of law and morality to oppose it.

I’m not getting what your point is. By your logic the whole anti South African apartheid movement should have just quit and left Mandela to rot in prison because other countries also had repression and warcrimes. That’s ridiculous. Even in the current conflict many of Israel’s most egregious war crimes were actually stopped by public pressure on government officials relating to war crimes. 

I can complain Russia isn’t following international law all day, but I have no influence on it. Whereas I can influence the US which influences it, this why israel has a large influence campaign. Also unlike Russia israel and the US claim to be moral actors following the law.

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[BlueOak]

53 minutes ago, Raze said:

The US itself uses international law to justify many of their actions against Russia.

Whatever the reasons for following the law, in this case and others they apply it.

Russia is destabilizing the US because the US works against its interests.

That is false because you completely ignore the context of the population and the interest of the individual leader over the country as a whole. For example in israel many zionists were calling for the war to end claiming it was being extended by Netanyahu for his own personal interests. In the case of the US supporting Israel actually damages its interests in various ways. I also believe it damages the interests of humanity and the world as a whole even if shortsighted people can’t see it, so it has practical reasons outside of law and morality to oppose it.

I’m not getting what your point is. By your logic the whole anti South African apartheid movement should have just quit and left Mandela to rot in prison because other countries also had repression and warcrimes. That’s ridiculous.

All war damages the interests of humanity.

The US itself uses international law to justify many of their actions against Russia.

Sure. International law used as a hammer. Made for some great 80s and 90s liberator moments, box office hits. Shame about all those bombed out cities and broken homes. I hear it's not liked so much these days.

But its okay because its making a comeback. As long as its on the right side of course; that's always important. Because this time it's different; this time the reasons are better and more just, they make for a better world. So war is okay. We can kill or displace a lot of people, and its terrible of course, but okay. - I know you've said this is stupid, I know, but it frames the whole sentiment everyone puts forward.

I’m not getting what your point is. By your logic the whole anti South African apartheid movement should have just quit and left Mandela to rot in prison because other countries also had repression and warcrimes. That’s ridiculous.

Thank you that made me chuckle a bit. Then I realised that yes, that would indeed happen right now.

In some ways I hate trying to kill your idealism because the world can probably use more of it right now. It just comes at the cost of picking a side, directly or indirectly. The side being - This morality is what I like best and these people embody it the most so I like them the most -

 These days the hammer is. America bad. As long as we align what we do to 'America bad', we can do anything.
 

[zazen]

On 05/10/2025 at 11:44 PM, zazen said:

That's why I said America AND the Western led order. They are distinct from the US which is the clear unipolar hegemon but they exist as preferential partners and allies within that order - that are also taken advantage of when it suits the hegemon, as we are seeing today. If they truly want to be left out of great power competition then they need to build their own defense capabilities to gain strategic autonomy and sovereignty - and act accordingly.

Wanting to be left alone also requires actually leaving others alone. Israel uses the US to dominate the region through. Europe outsourced its security to the US who does more of the dirty work of upholding the current order they benefit from. You can't be part of an expansionist military alliance, participate in its structure and antics (NATO-Libya, Afghanistan Yugoslavia and other covert ops), benefit from it's global dominance and financial supremacy through dollar liquidity, swap lines and tagging along in sanction programmes to naughty countries - then claim victim hood when targets of that system resist that very order containing it - a order in which you are a junior partner to the final boss (US) in that system.

The security, prosperity (social welfare) and diplomatic power both Europe and Israel have enjoyed have heavily depended on being central players in that order. Also - they very much do everything they can to not have daddy US leave them - que the picture of them sitting around Trump like school kids not wanting to be left alone. They begrudgingly want the superpower capabilities of the US on their side to continue to benefit from that arrangement even if it cuts into their sovereignty some what. It’s like living in the empires mansion that imperialism built but distancing yourself as a morally clean bystander because you don’t hold the whip.  That’s why the order is referred to as Western despite being US led - because it is and it’s institutions were built by the West post WW2. That order is now breaking down, along with Euro leaders breaking down in tears for losing their benefits and place in it.

If you acknowledge that order - then it logically follows that the actors we are talking about are acting within that current order - and where they are within that order and how they are treated within that order (contained vs pampered) will determine how they act or react. I did also say that states can act independent of that order and not everything can be blamed on it. Not every protest is going to be a regime change operation despite the clear track record and evidence of the US perfecting that art (US-UK couping Iran in 1953 for example).

I did say Western violence gets framed as policy, everyone else's as pathology - acknowledging that others can be or are violent. I'm not denying others aggression or threats of it - I'm saying there's asymmetry in how that aggression is talked about or understood based on who does it and why. And the causal chain gets erased to frame the latest act of aggression as if it comes out of a vacuum - that the one doing it is simply aggressive by nature, culture, psychology - to the point of not wanting to live on the same planet as them lol. Speaking of that causal chain - that is where things get messy because as we said - you can frame something differently depending on where you decide the starting point is. That's probably the most important point which I'll cover below along with the other parts that are related ie historic rhetoric, proper survival assessment, systemic analysis vs psychoanalysis.  

Ancient claims and assessing threats

Israel also makes ancient claims. States invoke older history for legitimacy - it's not about whether ancient claims are allowed rhetorically but about whether they justify current actions. Israel makes ancient claims within and protected by Western hegemony to dispossess people right now. That's materially different from China or Russia invoking history while challenging that same hegemony and responding defensively to threats from that hegemon.

Russia also uses historical claims (Ukraine isn't real, historical Russian lands) to justify what is also a response to strategic encirclement. The historical rhetoric obscures the defensive logic, but the defensive logic still exists within which to understand its actions. If we strip away Putin's speeches about Ukrainian history and look at the strategic picture - Russia is reacting to an alliance expanding toward its borders to a country that is being used as a launchpad through which to weaken it on its flank. This has been laid out in think tank papers only a arrogant hegemon would have the audacity to make public.

Russia's defensiveness is real due to a accurate assessment of the threat - even if their response and rhetoric are wrong to the point they blur the lines of their defensive logic and make us question their motives (imperial vs defensive). Israel's defensiveness meanwhile is theater and cover for domination of the land they want to settle in. Israel claims existential threat - but from who? Egypt, Jordan, UAE are normalized. Syria is destroyed. Iran is far away and only retaliated after Israel directly struck it. Their threat is exhaustion from proxies (that Iran backs yes) and non-state actors who emerge because of the unresolved Palestinian issue. That's not an existential threat to the state - that's blowback from perpetual occupation which is the root cause of the issue. The "sea of hatred" narrative is increasingly detached from a actual state level threat.

On time frame and systemic analysis

I said everyone's actions have deeper roots to the point we get into the chicken or the egg argument - ultimately blaming God who started it all. So then what time do we pick to analyse events? if we go too far back it becomes too detached from the current reality to be pragmatic in understanding and resolving it, if we just go with the latest actions our analysis is surface level and symptoms based rather than root based. That's why we look at things systemically - and therefore look at the current system within which events take place. 

Every major actor is responding to the rules, pressures, and limitations within that system and order. The structure of that system defines where actors sit in the hierarchy of that ''rules based order'' and that positioning shapes their psychology, strategy and actions. A country not deemed a threat or that is allied with the hegemon in that system will behave and be responded to differently to a country deemed as a threat and challenge. This doesn't erase agency of countries but it explains how their agency is being exercised. I'm not denying the psychology, human nature or agency of those actors but grounding it in a structure they exist in and respond to.

You say everyone engages in human behaviour, implying that humans behave as they always do ''because they are the world''. Your correct in that there are constants of human nature, and observable patterns and cycles of power - we're in one right now (thucydides trap). You’re describing continuity of nature and instinct but there is also a evolution of context within which that nature exists and manifests - in this case the system in which that nature exists. Human nature existing in the world of digital and junk food abundance we have today will manifest differently to cave man times of scarcity.

A lion in a savannah acts differently than one in a cage. Same animal, different environment - and the behavior we observe is shaped just as much by the cage, not just the claws. The rules of power in the 1800s when Russia fought for land and resources aren't the same as in the 21st century where we have nuclear deterrence, economic interdependence, and a digital globalised world world with technology. That’s why 1945 and 1991 are the practical cutoff points - not to cherry pick, but because those were the moments when the entire global structure was redefined to create the current order - from which we can make sense of geopolitics today.

Structures change, and when they do - the logic of behavior changes with them. We’re now witnessing the breakdown of the unipolar order that’s defined global behavior since 1991, and the emergence of a multipolar one - if we survive the transition. Once that shift completes, a new set of rules, norms, and incentives will shape how nations act - and any future analysts will have to take into account that new order in which to make sense of the geopolitics of that time. The Thucydides trap exists because we’re still stuck between these two orders that are now in a tug of war.

On moralizing

My critique can be moral but not moralistic - I said in my full comment that ''Israeli's aren't the problem, the way they are acting upon their survival is''. I don't view them as inherently less than or as a caricature of evil - I can understand yet not condone the actions they felt they needed to take due to survival pressures after the Holocaust. But seeing their actions against Hamas isn't defense and I do morally stand against that. No one says they don't have a right to self defense, its that they can't use that as a excuse to dominate and collectively punish Palestinians at large.

If you get robbed or beat up at home or place of work - defense means securing your home or place of work with security, cameras, and some muscle and skill to handle any future nonsense coming to your door again. Sure, it's just to also pursue those criminals out in town. But you don't burn or demolish the town in the process. Israel has periodically or totally cut food, aid, water and electricity before. They've destroyed something like 70% of the buildings and displaced 90% of the people which have no where left to go and winter fast approaching. They even block any aid coming from sea via flotillas. This is not defense and has little to no defensive logic to it.

My analysis is mostly structural and systemic. That structure isn't neutral. Some actors built it, maintain it, and benefit from it more than others. Actors are reacting to survival pressures they have within that structure - that you acknowledge come primarily before morality. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy within that structure by the ones who lead it claiming their own survival needs are primary whilst others are secondary or non-existent. Security architectures are supposed to address multiple actors survival needs, but non-Western aligned nations survival needs take a back seat in the current system. As just one example - India scolded to stop buying cheap Russian oil that is helping 100s of millions claw their way out from poverty that is no easy task.

@BlueOak

We’ve been here before. Iv acknowledged agency exists but you don’t seem to acknowledge the agency of the hegemon running the current system which is trying contain certain actors - and then acting surprised when these same actors respond aggressively to that containment.

No one’s justifying war crimes or unwilling to say war is bad. It’s trying  to understand the root cause of these wars at a systemic level which is largely driven by a mix of survival pressures, security dilemma’s and power dynamics not being handled properly within a sound security architecture - which there is little incentive for by the current hegemon who is too arrogant to share power with others in the same system - thus seeking their containment - thus causing the current tensions.

In Israel’s case - this hegemon has structurally supported and shielded it from any consequence in settling and dominating the land and its natives.

What I wrote on time frame and systemic analysis which I emboldened is especially important if we are to make any sense of current geopolitics. I’m not going to go all the way back to the Ottoman Empire to make sense of Turkeys behaviour today which is acting in a different context and under a different system and as a different entity - the same way I won’t assess Russia as if it’s still the USSR.

Edited 17 hours ago by zazen

[Schahin]

23 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Shit, then the British are demons who killed babies in Hamburg, and the Americans Uber demons who killed more babies in Hiroshima, and the Russians Uber Uber demons who killed babies in Alepo. Fuck, all are demons except the Palestinian, who haven't bombs, then they just rape 18 years girls, then cut their beasts alive when shouting of happiness and they burn them with gasoline for fun. 

You are right, it's very simple. Like you and raze. Very simple. 

Dude the greatest Demon here is obviously you.

Indian nationalist with extermination fantasies of 1 billion muslims, dear lord, why do you Indians not get your country straight, you have the greatest poverty I have seen anwhere in the world, the poorest of the poorest of the poorest who then are discriminated in your fucked up caste system and not even talking about the gang rapes.

I love India and Indians though, I was there twice and had indian food yesterday, but you seem like the most unintelligent of all of them, or did something great happen during the last 10 years and your people are moving towards Nazism and trying to copy Adolf Hitler by exterminating 240 million of your own indian people?

 

Stop using your petty Whataboutism to justify the murder of 20.000 children and 20.000 women, of course the americans are demons for Hiroshima and of course the russians are disgusting for bombing Allepo and the mass murder of civilians in Germany is also a warcrime.

Do you actually support all of this? What are you even doing in a forum which is based on self realization, love and equality of all living beings?

You should be on one of those forums that enjoy spreading extermination fantasies, maybe you get an entry to a forum of white supremacist of Neonazis even as an Indian, if you tell them you hate muslims and want to see their children dead.

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Raze said:

Previously you asked for photograph evidence of starvation, I posted 5 images with over 8 people

Do you understand that if Israel is accused of using hunger as a weapon of war against a population of 2 million, publishing photos of eight starving people whose origins are unknown isn't proof? If there's widespread hunger in a population of 2 million, the evidence is different. The funniest thing is that you accuse me of stupidity.

[BlueOak]

8 hours ago, zazen said:

@BlueOak

We’ve been here before. Iv acknowledged agency exists but you don’t seem to acknowledge the agency of the hegemon running the current system which is trying contain certain actors - and then acting surprised when these same actors respond aggressively to that containment.

No one’s justifying war crimes or unwilling to say war is bad. It’s trying  to understand the root cause of these wars at a systemic level which is largely driven by a mix of survival pressures, security dilemma’s and power dynamics not being handled properly within a sound security architecture - which there is little incentive for by the current hegemon who is too arrogant to share power with others in the same system - thus seeking their containment - thus causing the current tensions.

In Israel’s case - this hegemon has structurally supported and shielded it from any consequence in settling and dominating the land and its natives.

What I wrote on time frame and systemic analysis which I emboldened is especially important if we are to make any sense of current geopolitics. I’m not going to go all the way back to the Ottoman Empire to make sense of Turkeys behaviour today which is acting in a different context and under a different system and as a different entity - the same way I won’t assess Russia as if it’s still the USSR.

1, Nobody said to assess Russia like its the USSR, except maybe Putin in his delusion as he was/is trying to remake it. Critically without the understanding of it once being the USSR, you cannot understand the current hegemony. The premise instead is that BRICS are addressing an American Hegemony that just happens to be there, when instead no, its a predictable pattern that empires follow.

2, Because your containment argument is largely illusionary these days.

• You sidepstepped the argument I made when I said BRICS as a totality dwarves anything else. They are not contained. I was going to concede the south china sea contains china but it's just de facto taken it over so *shrug*. From my perspective the world was a safer place when Russia and China were contained, now its closer to WW3 than its ever been.
   
• The US hegemony is in a pure reactionary state and somewhat scared as a result. The BRICS hegemony is already greater than it. China alone isn't yet but it won't be much longer till we possibly have a new unipolar world aligned with China, that's a possible scenario.
   
• So the arguments you put forward that they are following a path of necessity in their wars or genocides is false. Its them taking advantage of their new place in the world order. As Israel is.
   
• The dollar being the world currency is about all America has left, and we've seen how effective that was against Russia—barely at all.

3, People frame BRICS warcrimes as understandable. Even while ongoing. I am not saying you are condoning it but you are putting it in the framing of necessity.

4, I've already responded to your bolded points. You (everyone) picks the time point that best suits their argument or worldview. I tend to point to the pattern itself where possible. Because it explains what comes next, like 90%-95% of the time. You've acknowledged that before but won't use that understanding.

5, Let me bold the answer clearly:
Every country's violence is policy

It doesn't make it any better.

The hypocrisy, as always, Zazen is Israel doesn't get to genocide, but china does. Because China's genocide is slightly more tasteful to look at. 'But i'm not condoning it you'll answer with' Yeah, but it still happened (and is happening quietly). China is still championed as this new refreshing change on the American leadership, while Israel is the hated villian  Oh and both these ethnic cleansing events were policy, not that it makes a bit of difference. Then we can talk about every ruined bit of territory that exists in Ukraine, because Ukraine resisted, like the Palestinians did. I know different context, same result for the homes or anyone in them.

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[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Oh and both these ethnic cleansing events were policy, not that it makes a bit of difference.

The difference is that China is actually engaging in ethnic cleansing. It is diluting the Uyghur identity with the stated goal of making it disappear. Israel is attacking a city that has based its identity on hatred of Jews, decapitating its leadership, and issuing a warning after being attacked. It does not want to eliminate Palestinians or their Muslim identity.

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you understand that if Israel is accused of using hunger as a weapon of war against a population of 2 million, publishing photos of eight starving people whose origins are unknown isn't proof? If there's widespread hunger in a population of 2 million, the evidence is different. The funniest thing is that you accuse me of stupidity.

I already posted multiple reports from independent organizations like the world food program and IPC , you were the one who asked for photos. So yes you are stupid as demonstrated here by now denying the relevance of evidence you yourself asked for after ignoring other evidence, and completely sidestepping the point that your response dismissing the evidence was already irrelevant and made no sense.

Is this a long troll attempt? Why are you acting so dense and obtuse?

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

The difference is that China is actually engaging in ethnic cleansing. It is diluting the Uyghur identity with the stated goal of making it disappear. Israel is attacking a city that has based its identity on hatred of Jews, decapitating its leadership, and issuing a warning after being attacked. It does not want to eliminate Palestinians or their Muslim identity.

The claim is not just misleading — it’s a morally hollow piece of propaganda. It relies on false equivalence and selective outrage to excuse state violence. Yes, China’s persecution of Uyghurs — forced sterilizations, internment camps, cultural erasure — constitutes ethnic cleansing. But that doesn’t grant Israel moral immunity for its own atrocities. You don’t absolve one crime by pointing at another.

Calling Gaza “a city that has based its identity on hatred of Jews” is grotesque and ignorant. Gaza isn’t a city but an open-air prison of 2.2 million people, half children, trapped under blockade since 2007. Its “identity” is survival, not hatred. To claim otherwise blames victims for their own suffering. Many Gazans never voted for Hamas and have lived their entire lives under occupation and bombardment, yet this rhetoric dehumanizes them into a convenient caricature.

The assertion that Israel “does not want to eliminate Palestinians or their Muslim identity” is contradicted by its leaders and actions. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant called Gazans “human animals” while cutting off food and water. Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu suggested a nuclear strike. +972 Magazine’s Lavender report documented AI-driven targeting that slaughtered families for a single militant. Bulldozing homes, razing farmland, shooting civilians waving white flags, and bombing evacuation zones are not “defensive acts” — they are the systematic destruction of a trapped population.

Human rights groups — Amnesty, HRW, B’Tselem, and the UN — accuse Israel of apartheid, collective punishment, and possible genocide. Over 35,000 Palestinians, thousands of them children, have been killed; hospitals and aid convoys bombed or blocked. Calling this “attacking a city after being attacked” is moral bankruptcy.

China’s crimes do not make Israel’s actions less brutal. Both represent state violence that erases entire communities under the guise of “security.” One hides behind authoritarian secrecy; the other behind Western complicity.

A person who makes this claim broadcasts a stunning lack of critical thinking, moral seriousness, and basic intellectual honesty. They parrot talking points with the smug certainty of someone who’s never questioned a headline or read a human rights report. Their moral compass spins wildly — outraged at China’s repression while excusing mass civilian slaughter when it suits their ideology. This isn’t reasoned analysis; it’s tribal loyalty dressed up as moral clarity. To speak of “identity based on hatred” while defending a campaign that starves, displaces, and buries children under rubble is the mark of someone who’s lost any moral grounding. Their worldview is shallow, incurious, and ethically bankrupt — the kind of person whose opinions deserve not respect but scrutiny, and whose confidence is inversely proportional to their grasp of reality.

Edited 7 hours ago by Raze

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Its “identity” is survival, not hatred

An experience of survival does not depend on an objective technological advantage you have. It happens for both sides of the border. Anxiety and depression in developed countries aren't less common than in third world ones.

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Schahin said:

Do you actually support all of this?

No, my friend with limited vision, I don't support anything. I simply observe the dynamics of war. We would all like a world without wars, where everything is love and happiness, but that's not the case. Where there are humans, there is war.

So, saying that those who win wars are demons and those who lose them are victims is stupid, since these victims, if they could, would do the same. The point is that if you know you're going to lose, educating your people in hatred and war is stupid. But well, maybe not, since paradise awaits you. But in my opinion its stupid, because I don't believe in that religion, so from my perspective, doing the 7 oct knowing that you people is going to be killed without any possibility of victory, just to victimize yourself and attract the sympathy of some fools, is a stupidity that deserves the death penalty, because is Hamas who killed those kids with it's actions 

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Raze said:

Gaza isn’t a city but an open-air prison of 2.2 million people,

Why is it a prison? Maybe if they let them leave they do some wrong things, like 7oct?

6 hours ago, Raze said:

Calling Gaza “a city that has based its identity on hatred of Jews” is grotesque and ignorant.

Is not based on hatred of Jews?

Anyway, I'm getting tired of your conversation. Maybe you think you are a hero fighter for freedom like Che de Guevara, and maybe that is your (unconscious) strategy to gain some charisma, but I find It just boring 

You are like a fighter again the evil American, who is the cause of all the evilness , but you have the hope in a brilliant future where justice brights, lead by china and Russia 

Maybe you are just a kid who cant understand nuances?

Edited 59 minutes ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Raze said:

So yes you are stupid as demonstrated here by now denying the relevance of evidence you yourself asked for after ignoring other evidence, and completely sidestepping the point that your response dismissing the evidence was already irrelevant and made no sense.

 

Let's see, we've seen hundreds of videos of the people of Gaza, and they're not starved; they look normal. They're dirty, desperate, sad, full of pain and horror, but they're not starved. Then someone shows a picture of one person starved, and this is a proof of Israel using starvation as a weapon 

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall

[Schahin]

@Breakingthewall 

There is actually no point in debating with you, all you spread is hatred, while you say you would like a world of peace and love.

 

1.You advocate the deliberate mass murder of civilians 20.000 children, 20.000 women and the rest men.

2.You advocate the burning alive of all those people that were caught in the fires of the bombings.

3.You advocate that they were buried alive under the rubbles of the 90% entirely destroyed city, thousands of people buried alive.

4.You advocate the starvation which was confirmed by international organizations and the UN and still show yourself ignorant and ask for photgraphic evidence, which also exists in huge number.

5. You advocate that thousands of people had to be amputated according to doctors without border, without anestisia.

6. You advocate the tortutre, starvation and the rape of palestinians in Israeli prisons, including children, seniors with Alzheimer and women, as an Israeli Leak confirmed and was reported in "The Guardian"

 

I wonder what happens to you, if you have to burn alive or be buried alive under rubbles or if your arm gets amputated without anestisia or if you will be tortured, starved and raped in a prison?

Get out of here man, you are clearly the Devil,

@Raze Why do you debate with this man?

[Breakingthewall]

@Schahin seems that you can't understand beyond basic slogans, black and white, good and evil...and of course, you are in the side of good against evil, like Batman. It's a simple world where everything is so clear. The only problem is that this world only exist in your imagination, because you can't understand the real world, so you made up another that you can handle. Some call that narcissism. Of course, no narcissist is aware of his condition, but anyone who read this maybe could see it.