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@Masterpiece IMO for a soul living 24 hours in God consciousness it makes no differences, as nothing can affect his consciousness,but if shifts back and forth I'd say solitude is the best situation to stabilize this level of consciousness in a profound levels then after, either in solitude or in social, you are home! But I totally understand you, a shining awakened soul spread his consciousness to 'others'. I do live alone by myself too and it's a blessing.

I’ve always had a passion for Truth. Living alone by myself for 5 years now, did bring me towards several awakenings (using no psychedelics). I’ve also been blessed to have a social job, interacting with people, teaching them English in a non English speaking country. The point is, I see how social life makes me more of a “Sleeping man” rather than an “Awakened one”. Distractions as they say come with social life. But the thing that I noticed is when me being in a social setting interacting with people, I try to force myself to be more Conscious, and SOMETIMES I really see the shift in a Reality, like people around are acting differently, while me being around them more Present. It’s like I make changes within them, as I try to be more Conscious around them (again it only happens occasionally, 1 out of 10 times, maybe even less). Being solo for a True Spiritual people, I assume, is not a problem, but being social is (in general). It’s a True Gift from God to experience both, to be ok with Solo as well as with Social life. But Being solo IN a social life - navigating it is a whole new challenge. Which I’m trying to figure out NOT TO MANIPULATE but to EXPLORE. God Bless all of YOU. The question is: “Do you understand?”

I used it as a way to meditate. When people are hungover they ususally get anxiety and go do something, like clean their house or go out to stop the anxiety but I would lay there looking behind my eyes. I started seeing shit behind my eyes like static moving images I would tell my friend I see shit moving behind my eyes. I would say I think our brain are dreaming all the time even while we are awake. Without alcohol I wouldnt have meditated. But with it I have meditated probably 1000s of hours like 16 hours at a time. I didnt even know I was doing it or what meditating is. Once I awakened I just stopped drinking. My soul or intelligence was doing it. WHATEVER it is you are doing your soul is doing it intelligently for a reason. Dont listen to other people about what is good and what is bad. I drink my self to death and I came back. That was the best thing I ever did cause I saw God. And it was THE key part to me awakening. If I didnt do that I wouldnt have seen God in my awakening. If someone came up to me and said hey dont drink yourself to death it would have been a detriment for my spiritual path to listen to them.

@Inliytened1 Well, I doubt it. I’m sure some here have had awakenings. Awakened is a nebulous term, likely state dependent. People here aren’t like a group or something. They are or should individual philosophers, seekers, students, budding sages and artists.

People don't ask the hard questions. What everyone is mostly looking for is.....what most people want is,,,we're all looking for the same thing.....etcetc not why is the wanting there in the first place, that's the question in my book. Why is everything so self-centered is my enquiry, why no one cares about the eye lids closing to reveal nothing, we sleep and all die. It's always about happiness, end of suffering, other people being dumb, mean, or stupid, who awakened to what, what retreat to go on for a better life experience, what's valuable and what can I get out of life....meanwhile life is just trucking away with no care in the world for your petty concerns and will throw a tornado, hurricane or tsunami on the way to enlighten you of this fact but you'll blow it off and say that's just life and give me a hard time about something silly I may have said.

The awakened.

But doesn't it hit differently to be awakened as God beyond the human state? I felt an immense difference between the human state and the God state. All of the survival instincts came back when I came back to being human. The difference between sleepiness and wakefulness was so vastly different. Since yesterday, when I remind myself of the trip, I notice that I am reactivating the trip. However, suddenly I start to have a mild trips during the day, even without reminding myself and without taking a psychedelic today.

@Breakingthewall Those mystics are the flowers of their respective traditions. The issue is that Westerners (not all jeez -don’t @ me) belittle or demote the religious or cultural soil they grew from. It’s one thing to criticize the dogmatism of religion, another to say that religion itself is rigid and silly beyond repair and must be left to the dustbin of history as a stage blue relic. Stage blue (and others) aren’t about form but orientation. The form of religion doesn’t just belong in stage blue but can have a stage blue orientation - which is dogmatic. There can be stage orange, green and yellow religious practitioners and mystics. I think the error is that Westerners secularise these mystics and saints into the “enlightened individual” who became liberated from the backward religious dogma and culture all around them. They’re trapped in their own historical narrative of rebellion (against the Church etc) and project it. They see eastern saint's radiating love and light - then jump to conclude the only way they could get that way was through rejection of the path and cultural soil that led them there. For example - did Sadhguru reject and shed his own cultural soil, language and metaphysics? Or is it possible that it in fact aided him, as it does others who he teaches it too? The shift in perspective is that Rumi wasn’t a rebel against Islam but was Islam’s flowering. Just like with the others. Maybe the error is we mistake transcendence within the form of religion for rebellion against it - because we can’t imagine total devotion within a religious framework leading to awakening. I think we need to separate awakening from understanding. For example - all kinds of people from different backgrounds and religions have had awakenings or are awakened - yet that doesn’t mean they understand it at the same level as say how Leo Gura does. This is where I appreciate the West’s approach to spirituality. We could say it’s a scientific one and that it using a technical / neutral language is what allows it to be a sort of lingua franca of spirituality for everyone. Eckhart Tolle did this really well by using words that purposely had no historic baggage or conflations ie presence instead of God. But that doesn’t and shouldn’t erase the localised expression of the spiritual through various cultures, traditions and religions. Those are like local dialects and accents that bring richness to life and allow people to engage with the spiritual in their own way, in their own tongue. We could say that’s the art of religion. I’ve seen some videos on meta-modernism that goes into meta-modern religion. There could be a world where both scientific (neutral) and artful (culturally colourful religious) spirituality co-exist as complementary to each other. Let’s say we all got enlightened one day - what would we do anyway? Before enlightenment chop wood carry water, after enlightenment chop wood carry water. People will still live and want to express and share awakening in various forms, traditions and religions. But it will be done at a different level “from above”. Then the next generations slowly become less enlightened and make the same mistakes of the religions of old - introducing dogmatism and fundamentalism - and the cycle begins again where later generations mock the old religions for being “untrue” lol

Yes I understand that. 👍 The weight is lifted when I consider there’s just indifferent impersonal “suffering happening” compared to “I am suffering “ Awakening doesn’t necessarily mean suffering ends though. Even an awakened one can experience suffering. Anyone who is conscious of knowing is able to reflect. So although trauma grounds itself deep within the mind/body mechanism, we can recognise that we can starve it of any more attention. Or, we can trauma bond with our own body. It doesn’t matter, it’s all just happening so there’s no need to repress or avoid, rather just allow and integrate, by surrender and to fully accept that nothing that is happening is ever personal. To recognise fully that I’m not my thoughts or mind, I am behind, Yes, and knowing the difference certainly lightens the burden when knowing you are conscious of all your projections and therefore the only one responsible for them.

Forum is full of immaturity and psychosis masked as awakened and enlightened 😀 No you dont need to insult other's beliefs to be close to enlightenment, what are we talking 😆

Beautiful experiences and insights for sure. You will see if it lasts. Or if something is still in the way between Absolute Reality and its love aspect. Godspeed! PS: Brown, Pith Instructions for Akhrid Dzogchen " Furthermore, awakened awareness remains uninterruptedly in, and immovable from, the [vicissitudes of the three special] states [which are the adornments of enlightenment]: non-conceptual stillness, bliss (and love, WbtR), and luminosity." Comment Brown "This passage refers to the fact that at this level of practice awakened awareness is frequently accompanied by special states of bliss, luminosity, and stillness, but that rather than becoming sources of attachment to state experiences or obscuring awakened awareness, these very states become the “ornaments” or friends of awakened awareness. In other words, these states now enhance rather than obscure the recognition of awakened awareness. PS PS: IT is not a state. But your original face. That which has never not been the case. Anything that arises in time is not It. If you live long enough, and practice efficient enough, you will get used to these states with time. PS PS PS: Wilber, One Taste: "And then, the Abyss beyond all beyonds. Some would call it radical Freedom, infinite Release, ultimate Liberation, the great Redemption, boundless Being. I wouldn’t know, for there is no I to know, in any form, sacred or profane, and so there is only this radical Formlessness, which remains its own remark. It is not bliss, it is not God, it is not love. It is not holistic, it is not Goddess, it is not interwoven anything. It is not infinite, it is not eternal, it is not any conception or object or state whatsoever. I-I am not light, am not love, am not spirit, am not bliss. II am not bound, am not free, am not ignorant, am not liberated. But this much can be said: where there is not this Emptiness, there is only suffering." "Around the sea of Emptiness, a faint edge of bliss. From the sea of Emptiness, a flicker of compassion. Subtle illuminations fill the space of awareness, As radiant forms coalesce in consciousness. A world is taking shape, A universe is being born. I-I breathe out the subtlest patterns, Which crystallize into the densest forms, With physical colors, things, objects, processes, That rush upon awareness in the darkness of its night, To arise as glorious sun, radiant reminder of its source, And slumbering earth, abode of the offspring of Spirit."

I stopped 5 seconds in..he says yes it can change states but you're not going to be become more conscious..ummm ok. But enlightenment is a shift in consciousness which drastically expands consciousness so yes..it can. Why couldn't it? He's hung up on being against drugs because he didn't need them. Hooray. Neither did I. But who is to say they don't expand consciousness? Him? Ok. Guess he's the authority. Look i promote meditation but ultimately is it going to enlighten everyone? Obviously not or he wouldn't have all these followers they would all be awakened. It's not the tool anyway that's just the catalyst.

Fuck me sideways, last couple years have been a slog. But just getting massive hastening on my realisation of love. It's kinda like it completely makes sense all at once. Not a god awakening but I know what a realisation feels like and this isint one. Think it's like low level awakening or some shit. It doesent feel right to call in it a realisation, I can feel it's more central and powerful. Maybe it is just a powerful realisation...I prefer the term low awakening. Connotates it better imo.. Sitting meditating in Buddhist temple, vibing. Not hard anymore, feeling the love, it's like something's really clicked for me I'm starting to understand that if you don't have these foundational cores and pillers, progress is doomed. So I got the love thing, not a shit load like with 5 but I can tell, it's more stable, organic, it feels permanent. Like the logical mind has been completely overrided in some respect. I understand why silence is what you see some teachers encouraging...it's not that they're keeping quiet to show how disciplined they are, they don't want to interrupt the flow of their love! This is real nice low awakening. I've found so much value in Buddhism, just cuz it won't get you god awakened doesn't mean it doesn't have some mega powerful methods and teachings for the lower level. Boddichitta, compassion, I really don't know what I would have done if I didn't have Buddhism. So accepting and beautiful. Does anyone have thoughts on Buddhism? I do Mahayana Buddhism ☮️

Yes, even in the hands and legs and basically the whole body but in subtler way when walking, this wasn't the case before of course, and i didn't do any particular practice to achieve it, most of the work was done by the energy itself while I was laying down, resting, as it is intelligent in nature. It'll progress. If you just put your awareness on it, like what I did. Yes the energy is intelligent and while awakened theres no stopping, but putting your awareness on the energy will accelerate the progression quite rapidly, cause you are devine in your true nature. For me the most profound and valuable achievement as a result of energy going up and hitting the ajna chakra was the ability to control my mind and reaching profound state of peacefulness. But those kinds of siddhis are to be achived if one strive for it, like performing samyama on chakras (deep state of absorption, losing yourself while meditating on a chakra)

Is there a masculine version of this? Or perhaps it is inherent to the feminine polarity as the masculine is typically seen as the 'structure', or that which holds space for the feminine. Nice analogy btw - speaks right to the awakened construction manager within meeeeeeeeee

Exactly. But I'll expand on that. When i awakened it wasn't even about letting go or achievement it was from a place of complete spiritual ignorance and just a curiosity into what is like a child might wonder about a toy or the sky. Nothing more. Ignorance is bliss. But spiritual knowledge could lead to the desire for achievement as you say - and therein you will be doomed to never discover Truth. The same can be said for psychedelics as much as you may want to dispute that. It is really no different than meditation.

I’ve heard it said that a fully awakened human is incapable of violence. Maurice Nicoll, a Scottish physician and a Teacher of Gurdjieffs system related a vivid dream he had. There was a man who was being harassed by some people but he seemed to be not affected at all. He remained passive and calm in the face of their taunts. Nicoll referred to him as a man of no violence who possessed a curious power. He tells the story better than I do. I recommend the Psychological Commentaries on the Teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky. It’s a very comprehensive yet readable set of 5 volumes containing around 4500 pages. His lightheartedness and sometimes blunt statements makes for enjoyable reading. Bye

You are the ever changeless, the untouched awareness that isn't scathed by anything and yadi di dee yadi dah, is the same as there is no you. Gotta attach to something, right. Gotta be something, right. It's the only other thing i can attach myself to to seem like I am; and since it can't be proven or disproven, it's a safe belief. No one can knock that ghost down; no one can disprove that phantom dream story. No sense in saying let someone knock you upside the head and see if you're still unscathed because that's just another 'if' story that doesn't exist either. "I've had my awakening" is one of the most deluded spiritual stories ever told. No one owns anything. Of course, I own my pocketbook and dress and skirt and one can go to court to re-claim their stolen possessions and so on and so forth, but you know what I'm saying we don't really own anything. Well, no, you don't know what I'm saying, but I won't get hung up on all that. How the hell do you have an awakening for real. None of what I'm saying in this journal I've awakened to; infact, these are just words typing themselves. Funny, because those are just words talking to themselves too, "I've awakened"....no one is behind those words. Well, someone might say then why are you making a post talking shit about it then if no one actually said that. No one is, and there will be an apparent continuation of words talking that will seem like someone is doing that because there's no one to stop doing what no one already isn't doing.

I wish to share a little story with you about this entire journey most of us are on... I will start with my own to make the connection. Every since i was born I intuitively felt something was quite off about this world, growing up in a western way of life, everyone seemed very disconnected from what truly is, disconnected from the natural being or true self or nature of who we truly are, but I could never clearly make sense of it all until my 21st birthday. I had my reawakening back around 2011, this was even before stronger plant-medicines came into my life, and I am very grateful I realized who I truly was before I jumped onto the other trains, for I had my true-ground or source-within or center to revert back to, that I am never shaken by these experiences or the mystica of substances and neo-spirituality, for they only tickle and enchant the mind that does not know, rather "thinks" it knows, especially after an experience or trip, yet the true self (which does not trip or hallucinate, which is awareness itself) remains untouched and phased. And its been quite wild ever since, and one of the biggest lessons for me and for many I am noticing (especially those who glimpse enlightenment prematurely) mostly through substance abuse, is that there is a severe lack of grounding or connection / understanding of the earth, rather purely working from a mentally internalized perspective and projection of consciousness, which speaks the truth conceptually, yet fails to land in the hearts of men, for it has no (true-ground) from which its roots have developed to be reverberated effectively and recognized as true wisdom. I see a lot of energy today is being pushed, especially (online) keeping people away from the Earth or Mother aspect, so they put more energy into the (artificiality) or online world, or the religious "Father" or "God" who is invisible and never to be reached, and thus they are met with half-baked enlightenment or astral / mental bliss, caught in a never-ending cycle, that is toxic to themselves and others around them, (that many of us can see now, especially on these forums) for they are illuminated only through the mind, and not awakened through the heart. They remain un-grounded and never truly accessing heart-centered awareness and being fully with the people and life on earth, to be truly of service and using our entire bodies more so than just our minds, and so they remain quite distant and disconnected from being with body and truly feeling what it is to be truly alive and experience life in its very essence here on this beautiful earth. They spend far more time online and disconnected from the natural world, and thus almost completely disembodying and contradicting what they preach. At the same time it is not anyone's fault, its just that they have never touched upon a taste of the divine in other ways, so when they touch upon it or glimpse through one way, they are convinced that "this is it", when in reality, it is only partly it. Rather it is one side of a three-sided coin, the third being the merge of the opposing two. These last 10 - 15 years I have been exploring the earth and body more, all over the world, before that I was exploring the mind and higher realms, and what i have learned is that neither is the full picture, yet the merge of the two is what Enlightenment truly is, for Awakening is the opening, seeing, recognizing, and Enlightenment is the embodying, rooting, stabilizing, being. I realized that there are also those, especially in the native and indigenous cultures who can also be (too earthly) and not open to a higher light or true due to eons of tradition, culture and rigid beliefs, that what the Buddha taught as (the middle way) was the very Tao or Truth or Way in a nutshell. It always comes back to balance, and when you are in total balance in all aspects of self, supreme beingness can be. I realized something observing children especially, and how they connected and meditated, was interesting because it reminds me of when I was a child too and what happens during intense experiences or states where everything becomes overwhelming, we naturally revert back down to the ground, (think of when we are sick, or drunk or too high), the body naturally knows what to do. And this goes back to ancient times were people were found often lying down on their backs by a tree or in the bushes somewhere, with hands and feet spread apart, almost like a star or a cross, and that is how they connected to God or "the Father", so to speak... They intuitively knew only through (the Mother) the connection will be stable, grounded and secure. If we deny the Mother (the earth), we deny the very medium that allows the Father to be known. In essence, you cannot reach the Father without the Mother. The Divine is immanent in the earth and body; we experience God through life, matter, and presence. And this is the issue with modern spirituality and neo-non-duality and the words and teachings people are sharing online, they are missing the full picture. Remember what is natural is home, god-thought materialized, divine or infinite intelligence, what is artificial is borrowed and secondary, a tool. We built temples to connect-with-god not realizing the very temple of nature itself God had already provided, then we wondered why we felt disconnected and struggle to see, hear, feel God's presence and guidance. And this is the very essence of Buddha and Christs teachings, but many have become distorted over-time by the hand of man. You can be in the most spectacular temple full of psychedelic artwork, gems, stones, incense and chants and nothing will provide a more solid and divine connection as what nature already had since the beginning. You can try it yourself, go into a forest floor and lay there, compare that to some man-made place. In 5 minutes you can tap in deeper than 50 minutes in a room full of artificial walls and electronics / noises / discordant frequencies. Otherwise these things would of been created first, and life on earth would be supreme brilliance, garden of eden, paradise, not what it appears to be today. Now don't get me wrong, I know this can be triggering to those who rely on the artificial matrix and online world, more so then they'd like to admit, I have nothing against using a tool, but remember its a "tool" and remember that the tool needs to be put down every once in a while and look up, there's a whole world out there, more real and beautiful and alive than any tool ever created by man, the tools only tickle the mind, yet the hearts remain empty... These teachers may teach that the world is an illusion, but does that really give you peace? No, you see most of these people miserable, depressed and suicidal, because life is meant to be lived, not observed. If you are not (participating) in the world you are a dead-letter, you may see through the illusion but if you are not alive and "living"... See the illusion, but enjoy the play, because the play is whats truly alive, the essence of it, the experience of it, that's needed for a rich quality life. Its like looking at a rose saying "this rose is an illusion" rather the child smells the rose, feels the sensations, doesn't know that its to be labelled or called a rose, rather its simply being a natural extension of nature or divine intelligence itself, interacting with itself in a most intimate way, and that is what enlightenment truly is, to be intuitively aware of the Oneness, yet fully immersed in the experience of separateness. In a nutshell... Remember you are Nature and Nature is you, so its always both, its not one or the other. I woke up with the energy to share this, I trust it may spark something within you. Blessings ~

Would you really be discussing anything, or trying to make a point, or having an opinion, or arguing, or debating or.....

And yesterday I think I had kind of a bad dream, I was running in the area of some train station but it was moreso a walkway. It was really dark, pretty much completly blank. I think I was running because I expected sommeone to chase me. It wasnt literally a bad dream in that I awakened in a shock, but it wasnt really a comfortable dream. Afterwards I needed to pee and seeing myself in the mirror seemed scary -- typical nightmare-ish aftermath.

Hey All, dear reflections, or illusions... whatever floats thy boat... Lets be real here? I wish to share something I feel is important. I have been on and off the online world for many years now, often due to change of lifestyle, but other times due to how twisted and distorted the online spiritual and non-dual community has become, like a bunch of overgrown weeds entangled in their own mess, no offense, but we need to do some spiritual gardening. I see people on the path who are waking up, or may have been for some time, but often are struggling to ground and integrate and stabilize the energy into form, into a practice, into a balance of discipline and flow, so they seek help online, which often is met by very ungrounded energies, otherworldly and non-supportive responses, that only speak in 'absolutes', especially the neo-non-dualists, and especially on these types of forums. What people need is something tangible, something they can touch, feel, taste, smell and connect to, like a tree, or an animal, something more "alive" than these non-dualist/neo-spiritual purely conceptual responses of 'absolutes', to assist in the stabilization of the enlightened~energy, into the earth, into the (human experience), into the form(yes illusion, we know), because this is simply the dance we are playing right now, so why deny it altogether? At the end of the day, even the illusion is (part-of) the Truth, otherwise why not be silent altogether, why are you online on these forums at all? You are partaking in the dance shouting: "there is no dance", the life of the party you are ! Now lets get down to the main issues. Here are some of the things I have been observing and seeing. The Main Problems in Modern Neo-Spirituality / Non-Duality Mental Awakening Without Embodiment People talk about oneness, emptiness, or "no-self", but their body, emotions, and relationships remain untouched. Awakening becomes an "idea" instead of a lived truth. Core issue: Mental realization without somatic integration. Result: dissociation dressed as enlightenment, subtle validation-seeking, and reactivity. Spiritual Bypass & Emotional Evasion Philosophy becomes a shield against pain, trauma, or personal responsibility. Instead of meeting grief, fear, or conflict, one declares, "Who is there to feel it?" Core issue: Using emptiness to avoid Embodiment. Result: Emotional numbness, loss of empathy, and disconnection from real tenderness. Ego Rebranding as "No One" The ego doesn’t die; it dresses itself in void-talk: "I am no one, and I see that." Subtly, pride, superiority, and defensiveness remain. Core issue: identification with the role of "the awakened one." Result: Spiritual arrogance, hierarchy, and inability to self-reflect. Disembodiment & Aversion to the Human Story True awakening roots deeply in body, relationships, and sensation. Many modern teachings ignore these, seeing humanity, individuality, and emotion as obstacles rather than expressions of consciousness. Core issue: Avoidance of lived human experience. Result: abstract, cold, and alienated realization. Parrot Syndrome & Language Loops Teachings are repeated without direct understanding. Phrases like "there is no self" are mimicked endlessly, echo chambers form, and language collapses communication. Core issue: Borrowed wisdom without integration. Result: shallow realization, circular arguments, and disconnection from others. Loss of Love, Heart, and Relationship Modern non-duality often sidelines compassion, intimacy, and humility, reducing reality to a flat, impersonal awareness. Core issue: Heartlessness in practice. Result: Truth becomes a blade; realization remains abstract. Commercialization & Loss of Lineage Spirituality is packaged, branded, and sold, often disconnected from ethics, guidance, and disciplined practice. Core issue: Profit-driven or ungrounded spiritual practice. Result: shallow realizations, psychological imbalance, and spiritual materialism. Devaluing the Relative World The absolute is pursued at the expense of form, relationships, creativity, and ethics. When the world is dismissed as a "dream," compassion dies. Core issue: splitting Absolute from Relative. Result: nihilism, alienation, and superiority complexes. Hyper-Identification With Emptiness Some reduce all experience to "illusion" or "projection", deny relational reality, or display defensive superiority as detachment. Core issue: Rigid conceptual reduction of life. Result: coldness, conceptual arrogance, and communication collapse. And so… such responses and conversations online often have no true ground, no place where realization has truly landed in being. We’ve all heard these things before. They often don’t help because they are ungrounded; they simply won’t land, as the teachers themselves haven’t landed back on earth. If you want something to land in the hearts of souls, you must first have stabilized and grounded what you are preaching. It must be in your very bones and essence, not just a mental realization or borrowed wisdom from what you heard or read online. The mind thinks it knows, yet understanding remains a mystery. The middle way is about integrating your humanity, being a friend who can relate, and offering support to all. Responses that only "perform" rather than "converse" come from void consciousness, where emptiness denies compassion. True teaching arises from embodied awareness, where emptiness and compassion coexist. Yes, ontologically, it is correct: there is no separate self; the world is an illusion. Yet existentially, it can be distorted if it ignores the lived reality of experience. If you truly want to help someone, put your hands, feet, and head on the ground first, remember the earth on which you stand. Real spirituality is not about transcending humanity; it is about sanctifying it. Awakening is not an escape from form; it is intimacy with form so complete that separation dissolves naturally. Enlightenment is about all-inclusiveness: you include the mosquito in your meditation, not try to meditate it away. Real Awakening flowers through the heart, not just the mind. When love and emptiness meet, truth finally breathes. And when emptiness flowers into love, the world is realized as the beloved.

These comparisons make me laugh at times. Leo can correct me if I’m wrong here. But I’m pretty sure that his labelled ‘alien conciousness’ is not that of some alien like being who might be walking around on another planet in this physical universe, or flying ufo’s to earth or whatever. From states of consciousness that I’ve found myself in, it seems quite clear to me that what he means is a state of consciousness so alien to what you can process from an ordinary human state, or even from huge degrees of awakened states. A completely different level, a completely different dimension of consciousness, that there is no physical being, there is no walking around, no physical universe. So beyond that, so incredibly clever, gymnastics of a mind that’s so in sync, doing its own shit, that I have no idea what is, hence why it’s so alien. But it’s all just so incredible on levels that unless you directly experience it, you just will not at all understand. I feel I can gain this limited understanding of the direction it goes mind wise, because of my previous awakenings and how they work in a sense. Literally off to a completely different dimension. Explanation is likely near on impossible. But the memory and a knowing will just sit within you. Anyway, yea that’s much more aligned with what I imagine alien conciousness to be, rather than the mind of a physical alien being that’s knocking around flying spaceships and that to different planets. Although a mind that is doing that, would obviously be more advanced than our own, but I’m certain that’s not what he means

@Leo Gura "Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves. The only one here who understands these things is ME." But what about some people here who posted their legit awakenings or what god is? Do you really mean no one here is awakened/has an understanding of god or do you mean no one got an so deep awakening/god realization like you?

Yesterday I was approached at my place of work by a guy who had a shaved head and a little ponytail on top, he was selling 2 books (for whatever money I could give he said). When I asked him what were these about, he started talking about spirituality so I immediately jumped in with questions like: "What is God?" "What is the soul?" "Where does the soul go after death?" "What is the Self with a capital S in contradiction to the ego?" "Have you achieved enlightenment?" "How can we use psychedelics to become Awakened?" Long story short, I thought I found an enlighted person. But, he invited me on Sunday to a "free" (he said I could donate money if I wanted) group meditation session. He insisted throughout our interaction for me to chant the Hare Krishna mantras. It felt "off". He told me he was a vegetarian, woke up at 4 in the morning and lived as a monk for 20+ years. My big question is, where do these people find the time and energy and money to support a vegetarian diet, strict morning routines etc. He gave me the feeling like he is brainwashed and/or part of a cult. Should I attend their meetings or not? Was he just trying to proselytize me? Or was he genuine in helping me to realize God? @Leo Gura