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The facts are the facts Nahm people can test them for themselves and do their own research then proceed or not based on their own findings, not mine , not leo's. Leo doped the ball in my opinion by not doing his due diligence on the mechanism that is causing the experience. Which is oxygen deprivation not surplus oxygen as he states in his video. The brain and body can not get more than 100% oxygen saturation. Furthermore normal ranges of O2 saturation are 95 to 100%. So the very fact that he has not done his research. He has no idea what the mechanism is that is causing this experience and even perpetuates false statements like "It is because you are oxygenating brain so much" (direct quote from video) Then proceeds to back it on actualize.org as an add hock lazy mans psychotherapy is irresponsible and reckless. The secondary fact that he advocates this as a weekly treatment for a entire year of 52 sessions or 9 hour treatment in one day with short break in between or do it every day for a week is absurd abuse of his power. I have come to expect more form him than that. There are a lot of people here that are too impressionable and will see him doing something and think (leo always researches everything if he is doing it if must be fine.) THIS TIME THAT IS NOT TRUE. He is completely ignorant of the process, and the mechanism that is causing the effects yet he still backs it for long term use. Even though he does not understand it nor knows if it is safe. So what have I done. Well I tried the technique twice and after each time I tested my O2 levels they went down which proves that that the effects are coming from oxygen deprivation not ( oxygen surplus ) <------Which is not even a real thing. Oxygen surplus is a falsehood or fallacy. O2 saturation does not go above 100% ever. Oxygen deprivation is never good nor helpful it always has negative effects thus I think that is valuable information that others should know as well as test for themselves. Secondly I have researched the topic enough in addition to my experiences and symptoms as well as my measurements of -02 directly after I did the technique to verify the mechanism is in fact hypoxia. or deficiency of oxygen. I am on the side of truth and awareness as well as concern for peoples health. I am not a blind follower of of leo or anyone else I think for myself. I do my own research and take no sides. I am impartial. Nothing would have made me happier than to find a new technique to add to my tool box. It just ended up that this was not what was advertised , more so it could be harmful. leo has a responsibility to his community to research practices such as this and in an educated manner explain to his followers what is causing the effect and what the risks are. If he is unwilling to do that he should not advocate there use. He should have the at the very least the best interest of his community at heart and if he does not that is a huge problem. I advocate awareness in all things nor do I expect people to blindly believe me. I expect them to do there own research and then make a informed educated choice after they have come to there own conclusion. Not mine and not leo's. If what I am saying is the true. It is testable and verifiable. If what I am saying is true, what leo is saying is false. So which is the mechanism that are causing the effects ? Is it over oxygenated blood or O2 deprivation. It can not be both. If leo is wrong you should be evaluating more than just if you should do this technique. You should be asking your self what kind of person advocates the use of something that they do not even understand and could cause harm. Through all of leos hundreds of talks about truth and knowledge I though he was above such a error. In this matter he has allied himself with ignorance or laziness and that is dangerous. More over he has brought that danger to your doorstep because of his influence on this community. I have to say I am rather disappointed Leo. All I am asking is you look into this practice deeper if you have a smart phone that can test spO2 test it directly after your breathing session. From there you can study effects of O2 deprivation. If you understand the risks and what you are actually doing and what mechanism that is actually being utilized to get the effects and you still want to take the risk. That is completely up to you. At that point I have done my job and brought awareness to this matter. I can tell you I will never use this technique myself again. "By using this technique you are agreeing that I am not legally responsible for any physical or psychological harm that you may cause yourself "..... -leo Gura direct quote from video. I am glad he is looking out for himself. Nahm I have lost any respect I once had for you because of this careless comment. Everyone on this forum should be searching for the truth in all things. Not taking sides but if I must take a side I take the side of truth , knowledge and the fact that I do so out of genuine concern for others well-being not just for the sake of being right.

100% just took it ... If you have a smart phone S7 or above you can test yourself with your phone. I can not speak to other phones I use the Samsung health app to test SpO2 , heart rate , caffeine intake, water intake. It records walking and running as well as caloric intake. If you do all this it gives you a weekly report and with common sense you can easily make adjustments that improve overall health. SpO2 Levels which are O2 saturation in the blood. Mine fluctuates between 95% and 100% most days not even that much I say between 97% and 100% most of the time that is normal. You can not over oxygenate blood if this was the mechanism you could just hook yourself up to a O2 tank and increase amount of pure oxygen and you would hypothetically get the same effect if the mechanism was increased O2. Please do not do this ether as I am just using that as a example not a practice that someone should do. Numbness tingeing hands with drawing up and cramping are all signs of hypoxia or lack of O2. Note my SpO2 has never gone below 95 ever until I took it directly after the practice of Holotropic/shamanic breathing 93% and 92% that was after 20 minuets both times and that does not sound like much but if I had gone longer I am sure it would have spiked down at a faster rate. depriveing my body and brain of even more oxygen. So for me this practice is not viable. I got no lasting effects except a really nasty head ache pins and needles and the beginning of numbness in my extremity's as well. The mechanism that seems to be responsible for the experience seems to be O2 deprivation or hopioxa as my testing confirms this as well as the limited amount of research I have done. I need no further proof. All I am asking others to do is do your research, use the tools at your disposal to make a educated and responsible decision. Don't take my word for it for that matter do not take leo's ether go seek out the facts for yourself and find the truth. My job was only to bring awareness to the facts and let you do further research and find the truth for yourself. I am not here to argue or put anyone down. Now I am going back to my work. I have brought awareness to this issue and will comment on it no longer. I hope you are all well and moving forward in you search for enlightenment and self actualization good luck.

Please look at the link and do more direct research before taking up this practice.

My path has taken me into grounds that I can neither teach nor explain, Nor will I in the future because of the inherent dangers if not implemented correctly. It has also lead me to look deep and demands all the energy that I have to be utilized in that process. I am doing a lot of intense shadow work in a rather unusual way but it is moving me forward in leaps and bounds, it is draining and exhausting it is not leaving time for much else. So I am saying good by for now. I hope all you keep growing and moving towards self actualization and the process of enlightenment . Follow your affinity and find your own path. Utilized awareness in your search. Thank you everyone for making it a memorial experience. Even the disagreements have helped push my growth. I hope what I have shared regarding meditation and awareness help those that needed it. Good luck to each and everyone of you. Treat each with compassion and love. Farewell

@egoless Great video ?

I never said I did ..... I just said have diret experences then form an opinion . Control has nothing to do with that. @Joseph Maynor

You should keep a open mind and not place limits or preconceied understandings on to a subject. Do not form an opinion on something before you explore it and experance it. If you do you are doing your self a disservice.

@SladeIf you believe this whole heatedly then you have no other choice than to be a ascetic and pursue every form of suffering imaginable. Good luck

@Joseph Maynor The very idea that you can drink you way to enlightenment is absurd.

@MarinMAlcohol does loosen inhibitions and open you to some experiences the problem is the amount method and control. It also seems to root one in the physical and the world of senses. In larger doses It acts as a sort of truth serum as the more you drink the less self control you will have, less self-restraint the more you just say and act how you feel and think with out any filter. The big problem is alcohol is not a method that should be used. I say this for several reasons Repeated use = needing more to get same effect and that will lead to addiction at some point. The more you drink the more inhibitions are let go of and the less control you have of the directing the experience. If you drink more than moderately aka(heavily) this results in a hang over not only that you memory of such events will be nonexistent or useless. Tends to focus you on physical sensations and distort reality making it useless for enlightenment work. I feel this is a trap to use this as a tool of enlightenment as it distorts reality This is exact opposite of what you are trying to during enlightenment work. What you are looking for in enlightenment work is increased awareness and clarity. Alcohol decreases awareness and distorts reality. Even at lower does I think this is playing with fire if you are using it for enlightenment work. It is just too easy to drink some then more and more over time and then you have a really negative habit that takes you away from awareness and enlightenment.

@CharlotteWe are all on different levels on the process of enlightenment. Some are just starting, some have been doing this for years the value of both is equal. There will be many symptoms of deficiency that people here will project. Part of this path is not only recognizing that in yourself but in others as well. When you recognize a negative trait in yourself you work on it. When you recognize it in others you show compassion by not judging them and just try to help them. I look at people that are showing traits like arrogance as a child they do not understand because they are not aware enough to do so. I also recognize that they are a reflection of my past behavior that I was no better at that time ether. So my reaction is to be a authentic as I can and try to help them. Challenging them on the forms will not facilitate this it will only create, division , argument and strife. You have to find out what kind of person you are dealing with and ask one question. Are they ready to understand or do they have to feel the negative repercussions of their behavior longer before they are willing to address and face it as a problem. For me awareness is the universal key that opens everything in such I shine it on everything I can including others if and when it can help. Ignoring a problem altogether never solves the problem. Stop taking their other negative behavior personalty. Understand that they themselves are not aware enough to see this behavior in most cases See them as a past reflection yourself Have compassion and do not judge. Assess the situation Wait or Help Waiting just means you do not think any response at this time will help the situation or the individual. How do you help? First wait until any emotions about the person are calmed then humbly write a personal message using the mail system not the forums. Explain your perspective how you perceive things and why. Start a dialog and a conversation not a argument. Remember back to a time when you shared that behavior and all the negative repercussions it had on your life until you faced it. share that with them. Explain that you are just here to help not ridicule or judge. If the person responds back in a positive light well you can help them out. If they take your response negatively disengage politely by saying I am not here to argue or fight that not why I messaged you. My only intention was to help. I see that help is unwanted so I apologize, have a nice day. None of us are perfect what we need is more compassion, tolerance and understanding not less. From my experience when I help others I help myself. Part of my refection process is not only to look at my past actions regarding what negative traits this person personifies at that moment but why were they put in my path? Is there still some left over arrogance that spills out of me from time to time? How could I address that? Sometimes people like this can make you understand you needed a reminder and need to do more work yourself.

@Shin No I have not, but will ask my wife if she wants to use it and give her opinion as a beginner. I myself am on a path right now that demands all of my focus. So I am not pulling in new things as it would take attention away from the process I am currently working on. Thank you for your contribution Shin always appreciated.

My wife just found this app an installed it on my phone seems like a great addition to aculization and enlightenment work so I thought I would share it. It is free. Also for the people that use it please add your opinion of it I just started using it so I do not have an opinion as of yet I will keep you posted. It is in the Google play store.

Food for thought the Dali lama eats meat.

The TL;DR version is the same version just go back and read only the highlighted bold areas. I even added a few just for you so you know you are loved. Good luck everyone have a great day

What you are talking about is exclusion. You want to get rid of the trouble makers. The people that think different from you and dismiss enlightenment altogether. Who do you think needs the process of enlightenment more than those totally ignorant that they are even suffering. I understand they are a nuisance but that is life and the world you live in. Why should it be any different here. If a book only had a protagonist you would loose interest very quickly it needs the adversary to challenge the protagonist to push them to past their perceived limits so they can realize their true strength and power. You need both These trouble makes stir the pot and preform a function even if you do not see it. They help define what you know they make you think to respond and stretch the limits of what you actually know vs what you think you know. The only true test is how you treat them. Do you take what they say on a personal level and spit insults at them or do you treat them with a common respect and try to explain your view aka the view of the process of enlightenment. When I say the process of enlightenment is all inclusive that is exactly what I mean it includes everyone. If you speak to them with respect you just might plant a seed that one day might grow and open them up to the possibility of enlightenment. Someone challenging perspectives should not be banned as long as it stays in a respectful tone. People are different and we need that diversity. The vast majority will never get on a path of enlightenment but they might cure a disease or father a technology that brings in great innovation. People have different temperaments different focuses I am fine with that. You never know when you are going to be stimulated in just the right way to have a breakthrough. It might just be in that discussion with person that denounces enlightenment that sparks a insight that takes you to the next level of your enlightenment. Why do these people bother you so much ? Why do you feel that it would be easier to get rid of them ? Problems in life do not work like that. If you can not handle talking to them than do not. I pass over a lot of threads for me it is a choice as to if I feel I can help or add a different perspective. I am not here to convert anyone. Most of my post are suggestions to a person about practices I use and understand that I think could help them nothing more. I am human and I do make mistakes I have my own shit throwing monkeys that come out to play every once in a while. I occasionally act poorly as everyone that is human does I have bad days I take things personalty from time to time. I use those times to reflect on my behavior correct it and mend it with the person I wronged. Life is messy so are people, forgive the heretics for their ignorance they project doubt they insight conflict anger personalization . As a person on the path to enlightenment you should show these lost souls compassion not indifference, Love not hate , tolerance and understanding. As well you should take this opportunity to look inside and introspect and ask yourself why you truly want them gone? You can also use them as a tool of temperance to practice compassion , love , tolerance and understanding and in such every interaction will make you better and provide a catalyst for your enlightenment. If everything is truly one being one absolute you have to accept others as you accept yourself you have to forgive others as you forgive yourself You have to include others as you include yourself. To do anything less is to exclude a part of the absolute and exclude a part of yourself.

@Ibn Sina I think there is a problem but I think it is your rigidity and lack of understanding. You misunderstand the reason for this forum. I do not see this forum as a place where the enlightened go to be left alone. I view this as a place for everyone beginner and adept alike to learn from one another. There is a myriad of paths that will lead one to have enlightenment experiences you have to give people room to grow room to find what works for them. Enlightenment is not about dogma it is about bringing people to awareness and letting them have there own experiences. You can not dictate how when or what path they take. I am all for atheist pursuing enlightenment here as well as a satanist , christian , Buddhist Taoist , Wiccan and another faith for that matter as well as agnostic. There are mystics in almost every religious tradition. Enlightenment is all inclusive as it must be. People will have various perspectives or interpretation that they use make sense of their experiences it is not ones job to tell someone no that is not what you experienced what you really experienced was this. Your job is to manage your experience, design your blueprint on how and what you are willing to do to get there. It is not you job to micro manage others or tell them what they need to do and how to do it. That is called something else. Dogma noun: dogma; plural noun: dogmas A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. I happen to agree completely.

I think the karma of your subconscious already punished you far more than would have been appropriate for the crime. Forgive yourself learn from your mistake and move on.

My point was stop focusing on limits? My Responce used gender as a perspective which the o.p. defined as a perspective thus why I answered as I did.

Why do you need a number? Why do you need limits? Why do you need to define gender at all? What about Bi-sexual? What about a-sexual? What about hermaphrodites that live as both male and female and refuse to choose? what about non-binary? What about people that have no sex drive at all thus do not identify from a sexual perspective? What about celibates , and people sublimate there sexual energy and use it for other things? What about people that practice tantra or sexual magick? What about bestiality? ( I not saying I agree with or condone such behavior but it is a disturbing perspective that does exist!) and on and on it goes ........... Stop placing limit's on yourself and reality.

Depends what type of woman you are talking about in the business world There were several studies done that show that woman's minds in male dominated fields changed to become more male and that there management style changed to be more aggressive dominate and forceful. I worked for one of these woman and in fact in her job as plant manager there was no difference in her style to that of a male. This being said I also knew her on a personal level to a degree where she was quite the opposite. So in her case I am not sure how much of it was a mask that she had to emulate to do the job or if in fact her mind changed to a more masculine style because she surrounded by men and the way thy think. I liked her as a person but I did not like that style of management. The second woman I worked for was completely opposite she ran the business like a family and it was a awesome example of how woman can take a different approach and be completely successful. Side note she got promoted and in two month's everyone left because her new male replacement had a hard ass forceful dominant management style that know one liked. I think the question is deeper still when you are talking about jobs management and such because I have known people that are complete assholes at work both men and woman but when you see them on a personal level outside of the job they are like a completely different person. I wonder how many males are forced into a dominant aggressive management style because it is expected or demanded by the work culture. How many would rather have a more mellow or laid back approach. When I was younger I worked at manufacture plant I started there as a line worker. So I saw how everyone interrelated on that level for like a year it was ball busting work. The line supervisors management were very aggressive. Long story short my spleen ruptured and I was out of work and on bed rest for two month's when I was healed enough and could come back to work I still could not lift anything heavy. They sifted my job to janitorial which was fine with me since I had experience in that as well. After 6 month's the plant manager ask me if I would like to go back to line work or stay on as head of janitorial That choice was easy for me to make because what I had learned in that time. I got to see every single persons demeanor change I got to see who they were inside , outside of management style and what they were forced to be like and it was insane to see the difference of so many people with their masks on and then without it . The person you see is not always the person you actually see or who they even want to be. This pealed back a layer of reality that I will never forget. Things are not always as the appear.

Look you are moving forward a big step in moving forward is forgiving your self and others. Also be greatful for the fact that you have come to this point and not waited another 10 years or even died before or you became conscious of this. Do not regret the past look at it as fertilizer for your growth. I would say you learn much more from your failures than your successes. BE greatful for even what you precive as negative experance because it brought you to this point a pivoting point to improve your awarness and life. One last thing stop wasting more time worrong about the past life in the present. Focus your energy on the present when you worries and sleepless nights plague you. Work on somehing you want to improve instead of worrong about he past. Good luck

“Pacifica” In review My wife and I have used the free version of Pacifica for a short while now. (This app fits into ones life easily and seamlessly) We have found that Pacifica is a great way to introduce and become comfortable with traditional meditation as well as mindfulness and emotional awareness into our lives. The emotional awarness aspect both requires and helps one to identify a vast array of specific emotions in random requests throughout the day. A space is provided after emotion selections, to write why and what has you feeling that way. (This form of note taking, and evaluation of mental state, all happen in the same moment continuously using “in the now”. Truly could help anyone and their mental health practitioner understand better. Maximizing the effectiveness of whatever method you’re using and allowing one to get the most out of treatment.) Pacifica aids one to find comfort in a more traditional form of meditation which my wife had not found in almost a decade. She was using other forms of meditation such as, moving meditation, mindfulness and gratitude, this app puts all of that together in one place while adding other beneficial aspects such as emotional awarness and behavioral alteration with traditional meditation techniques(guided if you choose). All aspects of Pacifica are compiled into a collective of the most comprehensive and cohesive methods which in turn changes ones life in the most beautiful and positive way. Both of us use this app mulitiple times a day and it has aided in relaxation and stress reduction. The first intended benefits also had a secondary effect of lowering her blood sugar. We were also impressed that Pacifica seems to be a significant aid in keep both she, and I very grounded. Pacifica is hands down, by far the best app in this category. In a system of five stars I give this ten. We both say a huge THANK YOU Pacifica for making this fantastic free app, we have now upgraded to the premium version which has even more! Simply amazing and life changing. If you’d like to improve your life in a very simple way please follow this link.. https://www.thinkpacifica.com/app#/app/login In closing We would like to clarify that neither of us work for nor have any affiliation to the Pacifica site, the company or anything else related to Pacifica. We are both just extremely satisfied practitioners and we sincerely would love to share this amazing agent of change to as many people as we can. PS... I have seen directly the confusion to understanding meditation and its variation of forms and diversities. I have posted many times in an attempt to correct this error/misconception. I have done my best to enlighten others to the fact that any meditation at its core is awareness. This app teaches the concepts I’ve spoken of and allows for direct personal experience of those concepts and diversity.

I find this absolutey absurd. Life is risk if I decided to talk and meet up with someone that is my risk my choice and I would directly be responsible for meeting that person. It would take extrodinary comeradery and a long standing friendship for me to even think about doing this for me personaly. As sometimes really great things come from by taking chances. I know this because that is how I met my wife (OF FIVE YEARS) on a chat then on Skype and the rest is history. As for Skype or viop or other chat protocols keep or can keep you annymous. There is not much danger there. Would I if I had alot of information to share regarding meditation or other topics that I am qualified to talk about then use voip to relay that. Sure I would This policy is not about dangers or risks or Leo caring about your well being. To me it looks like a protocal to protect Leo's branding looesing influence. He is afraid you will find your fix somehere else. Which is ironic considering most of his videos are second hand clifnotes of books and ideas he has read. No knowledge is truly an original idea so this is not a problem for me so much. His first hand experances regarding meditation things like that are I am sure 100% his direct experance. I am also finding his curent project of meetng some of you directly in real life hypocritical when viewed against this rule It is fine for him to make and break his own rules. BUT ....If he does that that makes him a hypirocite. My personal opinion of this forum is like Leo's videos stimulate growth but from what I have seen people that just use this information alone are doing themselves a disservice. I seen total polarisation here to leo' s view by some. He says life is a hallucination. Great that is his path throught reality epistemology. Look for diverse sources that cover the gambit of left right and center. Do not isolate yourself here or any place else. To get the big picture you have to do this. I do not devalue Leo 's work of views I think he has worked very hard to get to where he is. I just do not feel everyone goes down the same rabbit hole and comes to identical conclusions. I may have my own unique hallcination of reality that is no less true or even takes me to higher levels in a diffrent way. ......as Leo has done himself Question everyone and everything untill you have a direct experance yourself then build your understanding on those experances. I am a mystic and my direct experance is my greatest tool. I am venimously against gurus because I know you can come to the truth your self. Don't look to others to protect you be smart and protect yourself by acting intellgently and not making rash choices but when you do make those choices think out the consequences. Weigh out the pros and cons and the take responsibility for your actions. The problem I am having with this policy is enlightenment and self aculization should bring you to more freedom and responsibility it should elevate you to make better choices. BUT instead of embracing and embodying that Leo is taking away freeodom. Where is that radical open-mindedness now that he demands from all of you ? It would be just as hyproticial to ban me because I hold such views since I have not broken this policy. But if he decides to do that so be it. I wish you all well but I sit firmly on the side of freedom not fear. To make myself clear have no inteest in making a secret group or pulling any of you away from here to manipulate you. Any post I make I genuiney just try to help people the best way I can.

Your cell phpne is a tracking device your internet is public domain. The only privacy you currntly have is what you provide for yourself through self restraint aka (not posting every thought on facebook.) or programs that incript data.