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What is the Breath of Fire exercise called in your secret kriya book?

I would but that is an addition that I'm pinning on the situation that is exactly what a concept or a thought is. a situation being moral or immoral is not an attribute of the situation but something that is happening in my head and my reaction of what is happening in my head(like emotions) is what you are referring to. It might or might not be embedded in me,I actually don't know. but it doesn't change the fact that morality is still conceptual. Again sure it might be embedded in me but that doesn't mean that it isn't a concept actually the most persistent thing that we are trying to work on is conceptual. the self is also conceptional but I'd like to stay away from talking about that because I don't have many direct experiences with self as concept.

Not true I have the ability to recognize my reaction to seeing or hearing about a baby getting killed. The connection that a baby getting killed is bad..that is happening in the mind as a concept. As a matter of fact you need to accept a bunch of distinctions which are also concepts in order to think that killing babies is bad. For instance if killing babies is bad it might not be bad to kill an adult under the right circumstances. Every single thing about that is conceptual. For morality to work it needs to be specific way and not any other way, and in order to realize something as good or bad you need to make a bunch of distinctions which are all conceptual. Working with your example you are making dozens of implicit distinctions. For example you are talking about the babies of humans and not animal babies or the babies sentient animals..etc etc. all those distinction exist only in the mind as concepts.

The notion that morality is embedded in us is also a concept....Hell, saying that morality is embedded in us might actually be the best argument as to why to it actually is a concept. Without you looking at a situation and labeling it moral or not the very question of something being moral would be ridiculous

Yes have done it, don't make the mistake and confuse being not depressed with being happy though. As @Dogsbestfriend put that hole in your chest will be gone and colors will maybe be more vivid and stuff but it's not THAT big of a change...

It depends what kind of direction you are going. I mean for me the thing I do every single day to the point of obsession is classify, draw boundraries and distinguish between things. So when I meditate and contemplate in order to see the truth of things I don't really think that for me personally that this is the most productive route to take...because essentially all I have done is given myself access to one more way to do what I've always done. But what I really want to do is stop doing what I've always done.

@InfinitePotential Well if this is your way and you find value in it, I'll help you the best way I can. My personal experience is: At the worst I fluctuate between 75-125 and at my best I fluctuate between 250-310 with small windows at 400, 540 and rarely 600.

@InfinitePotential I see that you can see the distinction between what you call the self and The Self, so if you can do that what is the point in trying to classify the self? Is the self what you are? If you already are able to make that distinction shouldn't you rather focus on The Self?

@InfinitePotential Consciousness is not an object and you don't need any mumbo jumbo to see that this is so. Associating a number or a color or any other kind classification to something that is not an object is a misrepresentation.

@moon777light Thanks mate, never saw that one !

It would be cool if there was a section dedicated to different practices in Action and not theoretical concepts. I'd love to see people talking about their routine throughout the day, reviewing how different approaches worked for them and what strenghts and weaknesses they experienced in an approach over the course of let's say 6 months to a year. Arguing and discussion would not be allowed and especially not if the person didn't have a direct experience of what they are talking about.

You are welcome and good luck. That is an interesting measure of growth: "How much ridiculousness can I be open to."

The book on Leo's book on kundalini yoga is pretty good for that...although it's pretty out there and might not be for you, but the techniques work. You may also wanna try doing regular hatha yoga etc.

"Here" and "now" are actually interchangeable. Try it. Walk yourself through the same process that lead you to now and you'll be here.

Exactly. If you spend too much time on here, you get blinded by ABSOLUTE INFINITY and you dismiss the subtle as insignificant. I am working on exact the same thing, wanting something so grand and shocking that I don't see what is directly in front of me...ironically meditations job is to help me see what is directly in front of me.

Damn,that's a really nice way to put things.

not only talking about suicides, I'm talking about the potential harmful effects to people who already have deep issues and will adopt his words and be on the path of disempowering self destruction.

OP I have found out through my own research that the breathing techniques can indeed have a harmful effect, so I don't do them. Simple as that, but keep in mind that although there is much dogmatism and groupthink here, there is also alot of really good info on here. Without this forum I wouldn't have discovered the works of Byron Katie for instance and after doing one session, I know that her inquiry is the real deal... Ye I keep pointing out the exact same thing but most people including leo don't really seem to care.

Shit this is really turning into a cult... peace out, I'm outta here.

Careful there...How many of the things you state as facts have you actually experienced? Am i right to assume that you haven't made any direct experiences of the concepts you talk about? Otherwise you would realize that you can convince the mind as thoroughly as you want, but your fear of dying, your identity as a small self will still remain. It's like trying to talk a person who is scared of dogs out of his fear of dogs.

Ye I wouldn't go so far to say that Leo is trying to get ppl to kill themselves but I agree that the language he uses can be very harmful to people who take it the wrong way. Granted there are a lot of things that are just as harmful to that kind of person. But that is his way to frame the path and it seems to work for him and people who think like him, just listen and truly understand what he is saying and take away the things that you resonate with.

I thought you were bullshitting when I heard you say that before I went to my Ayahuasca retreat, but I met a guy there who basically mirrored what you said and became completely enlightened within a year...granted he is pretty hardcore, doing iboga and shit but still.

Yes, that is why it says 5+ min and I think that is actually where the meat of the practice is. As far as I am aware all the other things you do before concentration is to still the mind to the point that concentration becomes effortless. That is actually a good thing, it helps you keep attention on the root chakra.

"Different things work for different people at different times." -Shinzen Young