Joseph Maynor

There are no other people. Not in the way we typically think. Let me post you some stuff here: (but see I post stuff like this and nobody ever does the work. You’re not gonna understand Coral metaphysics until you do this contemplation work for yourself) I. Start to contemplate these: What is Ego actually? What is Maya actually? Is Ego larger in scope than the Egoic self? What is actually there versus what the Mind takes to be there? What is the true Self actually? What is Experience actually? Are other people separate beings? What is external reality actually? What are Thoughts actually? What is the part of what’s there that never changes? Ii. Start to contemplate these: How many minds actually exist in reality? In what sense do other people actually exist in reality? In what sense does the mind sort of assume stuff is there but it's not actually really there? You gotta be very literal and actual. How many awarenesses are there in reality? Is external reality more Thought than it is seeing? What's the percentage? How many beings actually exist in reality? What are other people really, in terms of Thought and Experience? What is that part of your reality that never has changed? What happens when Awareness refuses the illusions of the Mind? How does life proceed after that? What if you were the only being that exists in reality and you exist all alone? What if reality is like you watching a movie and thinking its real, getting lost in it as if it's real? And also discovering you're the watcher, you're not really in the movie at all? Leo is getting at this in his Actuality video where you look at your hand. When you look at your hand, can you appreciate the difference between what is actually there and what the mind takes to be there? What's the gulf between those two. III. This is a good exercise: Look at your hand. Write down the gulf between what is actually there and what the mind takes to be there or otherwise augments to the the raw and actual Experience. See, you gotta become very literal, very mindful, very actual to reach Stage Coral. Coral is very no B.S. to the augmentations of the mind. So, look at your hand: What is actually there? What is being experienced? What is experiencing? What does time have to do with things? It appears as if time is a factor. Change is a factor too, the information received (seen) is not static. What Thoughts is the mind associating with this changing Experience? What sensations is the mind associating with this Experience? I.e., feeling myself move my hand. Wiling myself to move my hand. What is the Thought "this is my hand"? Or even "my hand"? Or even "hand"?

Maya is the illusions of Thought and Experience, namely what the mind takes to be there vs. what is actually there. There’s a real part and an illusory part to all Thought and Experience, the question is, are you aware enough and literal-minded enough to see that for yourself. You don’t think your way to understanding what Maya is -- it’s a seeing for yourself what’s actually there vs. what the mind takes to be there.

Donald Trump is Thought and Experience with nothing behind the scenes. Can you separate out what’s real and what’s illusory with Trump like you can looking at your hand? It’s the same exercise as looking at your hand.

All is not an illusion. God Awareness is not an illusion. There’s a part of Thought that is and is not an illusion. There’s a part of Experience that is and is not an illusion. And you don’t get at his by more Thought but by seeing what’s actually there vs. what the mind takes to be there.

The Devil is the lure of Awareness into Maya. Ego is not the Devil, Ego is Hell. You are God who’s in Hell because you don’t fully realize the illusion of Maya. This idea that you or anyone else is the Devil is false. The Devil is a seductor of God Awareness into illusion. Calling people Devils is false and counter-productive Stage Blue talk.

Keep in mind that the 5 senses is just a model. Experience is prior to designation into this or that cubbyhole of sense.

You’re free to disagree with me. No skin off my back. And I’m free to disagree with you. I write what I write because it’s true to my experience. If it doesn't resonate with you, so be it. I dislike your use of the word ‘nonsense’ though and I think it’s rhetorical and a bad habit. What I wrote has sense, you just disagree with it. That’s a different issue than lack of sense.

There is a part of Experience that is real and a part of Experience that the Mind sort of assumes is there. Ditto for Thought, which is a type of Experience. What is "pure present experience"? I don't understand that terminology. I'm not separating myself from anything, I'm realizing that something that is taken to be there is an illusion. I consider myself to be a non-dualist. The insight is not everything is Consciousness, that's a Thought, a belief. The insight is everything is in my consciousness, and that is confirmed by seeing. But it also has limited use too. I. Some contemplation questions: How many minds actually exist in reality? In what sense do other people actually exist in reality? In what sense does the mind sort of assume stuff is there but it's not actually really there? You gotta be very literal and actual. How many awarenesses are there in reality? Is external reality more Thought than it is seeing? What's the percentage? How many beings actually exist in reality? What are other people really, in terms of Thought and Experience? What is that part of your reality that never has changed? What happens when Awareness refuses the illusion of the Mind? How does life proceed after that? What if you were the only being that exists in reality and you exist all alone? What if reality is like watching a movie and thinking its real, getting lost in it as if it's real? And also discovering you're the watcher, you're not really in the movie at all. Leo is getting at this in his Actuality video where you look at your hand. When you look at your hand, can you appreciate the difference between what is actually there and what the mind takes to be there? What's the gulf between those two. II. This is a good exercise: Look at your hand. Write down the gulf between what is actually there and what the mind takes to be there or otherwise augments to the the raw and actual Experience. See, you gotta become very literal, very mindful, very actual to reach Stage Coral. Coral is very no B.S. to the augmentations of the mind. So, look at your hand: What is actually there? What is being experienced? What is experiencing? What does time have to do with things? It appears as if time is a factor. Change is a factor too, the information received (seen) is not static. What Thoughts is the mind associating with this changing Experience? What sensations is the mind associating with this Experience? I.e., feeling myself move my hand. Wiling myself to move my hand. What is the Thought "this is my hand"? Or even "my hand"? Or even "hand"?

In part. Enlightenment is God Awareness (1) discovering Himself, (2) realizing that He's aware of illusory Maya, and (3) liberating Himself from the illusion of Maya. God is Awareness, but it's an Awareness that fully understands who He is. Most people don't know who God is because their Awareness is stuck in Maya, which creates the phenomenon of Ego. Maya is the illusions created by Thought and Experience that aren't actually real in reality. So, Enlightenment is really the discovery of the true Self and seeing through the illusion of Ego. And Ego is much broader than the Egoic self. Ego is Awareness being trapped in the illusions of Thought and Experience. How do I support these claims? My own Enlightenment work and awakening experiences. Of course I didn't always think of Enlightenment this way. What I've presented here is a very Stage Coral view of metaphysics. Stage Turquoise has a different metaphysics which is actually quite common for them I find. Turquoise tends to think of Consciousness as including everything and thinks of everything as part of Consciousness. Turquoise thinks of Consciousness as a grab-bag that includes everything. Coral thinks of God Awareness as being aware of illusory Maya. Really the issue of Maya comes to the fore at Stage Coral. Turquoise doesn't really talk about Maya. Turquoise and Coral think very differently as to what "everything is one means" as my Journal Vol. 7 (Turquoise) and Journal Vol. 8 (Coral) attest to. Everything changed for me when I moved from Turquoise to Coral, including but not limited to my metaphysical understanding of non-duality. Non-duality means something very different to a Green, Yellow, Turquoise, and Coral person. When I hear Turquoise people talk about non-duality now it kinda makes my ears cringe. When Turquoise people talk, it's not long before my mind starts screaming, Ego! But Turquoise it not a selfish Ego, it's all the parts of Ego that aren't selfish but are still Ego -- like clinging to Experience. Turquoise understands the illusion of Thought but they are blind to the illusion of Experience, which Coral fully understands. Clinging to Experience is Egoic too not just clinging to Thought. Turquoise doesn't really fully grok this.

Care to add reasons, detail, and/or support to your conclusory statement?

Paragraphing? Gotcha. Paragraphing is something that I've had to kind of warm up to. I'm finding that paragraphing is really appreciated by readers. For me, because I'm so in love with my own writing, one big block of ALL CAPS writing looks really nifty. But writing is not just for me, it's for my readers too. So I've had to kinda train myself to write more conventionally. My post here exhibits paragraphing. Don't think of paragraphs as being multiple sentences only. A single sentence can be a paragraph. A paragraph is simply a single idea separated out from other related but different ideas.

You're speculating. When it happens to you, you won't be speculating. That's the difference. Spiral Dynamics is a model to organize your personal development around, and also a useful lens to look at other people and other societies. But of course if you have no interest in the model, it won't have any practical significance to your life and it will be useless to you. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy that you continue to fuel by your Thought about the model. Spiral Dynamics isn't even considered as a viable possibility to you. So, case closed. Ego doesn't go away post-Enlightenment. And you can have a Stage Red Ego or a Stage Coral Ego. Which Ego would you rather have? Do you want a Stage Purple Ego? Ego has certain paradigms that it progresses through, and that's what Spiral Dynamics tracks. The question isn't whether Spiral Dynamics is true. That's a red herring. The question is -- how can Spiral Dynamics be a useful model for my own personal development?

What did he say that you think is right and what reasons do you have for thinking that?

The elephant in the room is not being addressed at all in all this talk — namely, the you who’s taking offense in the first place. For one to take offense one must be triggered. That’s the real issue. What’s causing that triggering? That’s the real question. When we lash out externally it’s because we’re projecting our internal issues outward. “Lemme tell you who you are” is really “lemme tell you who I am.” You gotta see this in yourself which takes mindfulness and high-consciousness. This is why watching ourselves deal with conflict is so instructive and is a great self-teaching moment. Most people never stop and say, “it’s me — the problem is me. What am I doing?”

I’m not talking about TJ. I’m talking about my own observation and experience with Turquoise and Coral in watching it in myself and in others. When you reach Coral you’ll get a perspective on Turquoise that Turquoise people are blind to. Similarly at Green you’ll get a perspective on Orange that Orange people are blind to.

It’s a mistake to think in terms of in the illusion and out of the illusion. Ditto for the distinction between relative truth and absolute truth. There’s only one actual reality and that reality doesn’t have facets.

Turquoise is still very much wrapped up in Ego — not in the Egoic self but Ego more broadly. It’s Coral that really starts to see through Ego at the deepest level. Coral is the stage where True Spirituality emerges when God is fully realized.

Nobody wants to actually do the work. It’s like pulling teeth to get someone to actually contemplate something.

There’s both nothing behind the scenes and something behind the scenes, it’s paradoxical. Can you explain how this paradox might make sense?

This is my final comment on this Forum drama, which has been revealing to me and therefore not useless. I do think people reveal themselves in times of crisis, so I’m always happy to see the difference between talk and actuality in people. I’m going through this with someone else too in my life right now where I realized so much about them due to a pending crisis. You start to see glimpses of the actual person and it can be scary because you see how the person actually is and how they conceal that most of the time. But here it is, this is what I wanna end with: Be the change you wanna see in the world. Let’s say you’re a drinker and pot smoker. You lecturing someone else about drinking alcohol is gonna have no force and effect with that person because they can see the disconnect between what you say and what you actually do. But let’s say you kicked drinking alcohol yourself 100% and you compassionately try to assist someone else struggling with alcoholism, that’s gonna be taken very differently by that person. Ditto for Enlightenment. You gotta actually live Enlightenment to effectively teach it. Talk needs to mirror actuality to create true credibility.

Start to contemplate these: What is Ego actually? What is Maya actually? Is Ego larger in scope than the Egoic self? What is actually there versus what the Mind takes to be there? What is the true Self actually? What is Experience actually? Are other people separate beings? What is external reality actually? What are Thoughts actually? What is the part of what’s there that never changes?

Start to contemplate these: What is Ego actually? What is Maya actually? Is Ego larger in scope than the Egoic self? What is actually there versus what the Mind takes to be there? What is the true Self actually? What is Experience actually? Are other people separate beings? What is external reality actually? What are Thoughts actually? What is the part of what’s there that never changes?

From my Journal: THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONTEMPLATION WORK VS. MENTAL MASTURBATION IN ENLIGHTENMENT WORK Contemplation Work is necessary in Enlightenment Work. There's a difference between Contemplation Work and mental masturbation. Mental Masturbation is Thought focused away from self-observation. Contemplation is Thought focused towards self-observation. Contemplation Work is always directed 'in here' whereas mental masturbation is always directed 'out there'. For example, the question "What is Mind?" can both be Contemplation Work and mental masturbation depending on the intention of how it's asked. If you're looking for your own Mind, that's Contemplation Work. If you're trying to come up with some philosophical account of Mind that is not connected to you doing self-observation, that's mental masturbation. Ditto for 'What is Reality?' -- this can both be Contemplation Work and mental masturbation depending on the intention of how the question is asked. If you're self-observing the reality that you see in your own Experience, that's Contemplation Work. If you're trying to define 'reality' and aren't even interested in connecting it to your own Experience, that's mental masturbation. Ditto for 'What is Thought?', 'What is Truth?', 'What is Ego?', 'What is the True Self?', 'What is Maya?', 'What is Experience?', and even 'What is Contemplation?' -- all these questions can be Contemplation Work or mental masturbation depending on the intention of how they're asked and how they're treated.

I don't think so. Why are we moralizing about content on here? There's a huge gulf between your guy's theory and practice. Stop trying to control reality to your liking. You only cause yourself suffering. You guys are supposed to be teachers on here. A true teacher takes no offense of Ego. They might be pained by Ego, but that's different from taking offense to Ego. Pain is part of Experience and it's not clear that you have any control over Experience.

Only the contents of my own Journals would be worth that, and not even those.