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I believe when people say this, they mean that the wealth distribution is not equal, rich people are getting more rich than poor people. But from a historical point of view, you are absolutely right.

I saw her on Russel Brand's podcast for the first time, listened to some of her talks, and I really believe that she's on to something. Of course you can't judge everything that Gates does based on these facts, but still, very eye opening.

My exact opinion.

It takes wisdom to understand wise words. Leo is way ahead of his time. Happy to see so many people here that kinda understand how human psyche works, and have learned and thought about the stuff that Leo talks about.

I am not saying to believe it or not believe it. In my opinion if we think clearly, and look at the stuff that media outlets say in an objective way, it doesn't make sense. For example if I want to describe a painting in my room for you right now, I can tell you descriptions about the painting that will make you think that I have the most beautiful painting, but I can also give you details that will make you think that the painting is the most ugly picture ever! Everything that I tell you might be true, but still I am affecting your thought process the way I want! Media is master at creating this bias. They will not tell you stuff that could eventually lead to them making less money. I agree.

As someone who lives in iran, a country with mandatory hijab, I get what she is saying. But still, its complete nonsense! Human mind can make up tons of different ideas which make his mind feel good or secure, it doesn't mean that the idea is not bullshit. Same here :))

@Tim R Great topic. One of the practical ways is more interaction. I've noticed this many times, that when people have more interaction with animals, they slowly see the intelligence of nature in those animals, and in a weird way it will make humans more affectionate toward animals. Also as others suggested, meditation or spiritual development in general would be also effective. Increased love will make us more kind and understanding, whether in our behaviors toward animals, other humans, or ourselves. Interesting Idea! Never thought of it in this manner. I myself feel more empathy toward animals than humans very often.

So true. Most people are doing this most of the times that they are arguing about some shit.

@arlin Yes, stuff that decrease your attention can change your brain's anatomy, but practices that can increase your attention can also do that. So its not irreversible, just try to fix it. Totally agree.

Very interesting topic. Thanks for sharing@ivankiss It's kinda funny how most of the comments try to explain enlightenment in their own views. It reminded me of the Leo's "mankind is bullshitting animal" episode :)) Don't say enlightenment is this or that, just do your own inner work and develop your own consciousness, don't try to explain your own egoic mind and ideas to others. Many of the comments in the forum is just that, not very useful or insightful.

I agree completely. Its funny for me to think that 10% of society, even most advanced societies, are yellow. The distribution of spiral stages is so skewed toward the lower stages. As someone who lives in the middle east, I think that the same goes for here. Many people consider themselves as orange, or even green, but they are blue people who have become accustomed to some orange/green ideas. The real percentage of orange/green people is much less than what some orange/green people might think! So maybe if you are someone with mostly orange/green mentality, it seems to you that there are lots of people like you in your middle eastern country(because they hate this or that corrupt politician), but they are not! Yes, orange is growing, but green is still so rare. And yellow, just let it go! so few.

@Eph75 Accurate!

A spiral dynamics stage red leader lashing out. What kind of message does this send to other leaders and people in the world? this is supposed to be America, land of the free!

Good questions. I believe when you have these problems, you should try to fix them first, and then focus your energy on consciousness work. Some of them are more challenging, like chronic pain, but psychological issues can be fixed, and you should first try to overcome them. Leo old episodes address some of these issues pretty well, and I believe he has mentioned several times that you have to first improve and fix more basic issues and then concentrate on your higher purposes.

@BipolarGrowth Good questions. But I still can't think of suffering as an inherent feature of this "reality" that I am experiencing. Maybe suffering can be reduced, or even removed, and still one live in this same reality. But good questions. Food for thought!

Good question. No answer!

@Tim R I would love that episode!

@RedLine I Agree. Even the neural process that underlie sensation of pain can easily shut down all other neural transmissions and make brain concentrate only on the pain. Body does everything to avoid pain. Both physical and psychological. And as you said, of course complete enlightenment doesn't sit well with survival! Pain is necessary for survival. And it's ok. We need it. It's not like that if we want to become more conscious, we should get rid of pain. Pain is there. But fear of pain is illusory. When pain comes, let it take the wheel. But when it's not there, it's not there!

@nistake I've experienced something similar. Then it changed. Then another plateau, then a backlash, and then another stage. As you said, you are not meditating in order to achieve something. This is meditation, it's observing, and in time, you might start to see the stuff behind the curtain. My suggestion is just keep going, keep meditating. And try to increase your knowledge about mediation, different forms of it, and then experiment with them and find your own unique path

@Bulgarianspirit Good suggestion

Thank you so much for sharing this. I haven't smoked 5-Meo before, but I had some weird psychedelic experiences which later on turned out to be my most mystical experiences. I can just imagine how you felt. Continue your work my friend, Until you see the Love within the infinite void

Of course the lines between these epistemic stages are blurry. Kinda like spiral dynamics. I feel that I have all of these three attitudes at the same time! but feel mostly at tier 2.

@ZenSwift Lots of similarities with my first mushroom trip on 1g Wish you good trips in the future!

Maybe try to experiment with Huprezine-A. It can kinda induce lucid dreaming sometimes and for some people. A year ago I used this website and they had good materials: www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com

I think God, in the form of every human mind, wants to realize itself through various ways. Infinite ways. Sometimes it realizes itself by an accident, sometimes by using psychedelics, sometimes meditation and chanting. My overall point is, I think it depends on the person and his/her journey through life. You just have be to be conscious enough so that when you experience your true being, you realize it. I believe a man that has walked 100 roads can judge those roads better than someone who has just walked 10, and then judges 100. That's why I always try to very clearly listen to what Leo says, and then use my own judgment, and refer to my own experiences. He has gone down many roads. Many of these gurus and enlightened people are good-hearted and try to help others, but I don't think that they have experimented with psychedelics.