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    3 minutes ago, Chi_ said:

    I understand where you are coming from. It is not easy to listen to someone talking about things like he knows it all and especially with a turban on his head. Does it almost feel like some religious mumbo jumbo guy trying to get you to believe that he is the deal and knows it all?? :D

     

    Well, it is important to look at this from a different point of view.

     

    Since we are just in a culture that is transcending religion and into a science/atheist based culture, it is easy to dismiss a guy like Sadhguru all together because he resembles a religious character. So see if you are unknowingly projecting these assumptions onto him.

     

    Secondly, his full time work is not to go around and do Sathsangs all over and get more people to believe his stuff. It is easy to assume that by just seeing him on youtube and on social media. His main work lies in changing policies and economies, education and helping people get out of poverty. The biggest goal of his life which he spent decades was something called the ''Dhyanalinga'' which you can research about if you want.  But basically it is an energy form which will last forever and if you set foot into its vicinity, you will automatically become meditative.

    On top of it, he has other social projects going in many fields. One of them is an ecological project where they planted over 30 million trees in the last decade. The whole planet is benefiting from something like that, even the people who are not fans of him. They will still breathe in the oxygen of those plants and enjoy a planet without global warming unknowingly.

     

     

    Therefore please do your research on what he has accomplished in his life before making full judgements ;) 

    I have watched many many hours of Sadhguru. I know very well about his Isha foundation and the work they do. Just because he doesn't resonate with me much doesn't mean I think what he does is bad. It's not all black and white. He does good stuff, and what he has accomplished is quite a feat.

    Sorry if I offended your leader.

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    1 hour ago, Anton_Pierre said:

    @Esoteric Don't make Sadhguru out to be so petty. You must have absolute trust in your guru and his abilities, or else he's not a guru

    There's something about Sadhguru that does not feel right to me. The way he always wants to elevate himself. Alot of those pics he throws up on youtube with a message is often him wanting to come across as a superhuman. He seems a bit full of himself. 

    Also so there is so much unnecessary "info" he talks about. Like "don't sleep facing north or you'll get a stroke" and shit like that. "Do this for x amount of months of time and you'll get blah".

    But to each their own.

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    20 minutes ago, outlandish said:

    @Esoteric thanks for the info. DPT light would be pretty interesting, and oral is such a civilized ROA. Did you have a preference for the AcO vs HO?

    I didn't realize it was a hard synth. I noticed it pop up here and there and never grabbed it because of the backlog I mentioned. Looks like it's currently available as well. Too many psychedelics to test, not enough trippin' time lol.

    It was some years ago and I think only insufflated it, but I could've tried it orally (4-aco-dpt). DPT is a waste orally, but I actually don't remember if it is the same deal with the 4-version. I wasn't man enough to take it up the ass back then.

    With 4-ho-dpt you need a shitload to get through, so I took like 70mg I think and had an average trip. Just cozy you know, I only did it once and I remember I took a long walk on it at night. Though I have read some reports it can get you far if you are willing to take much. So I definitely prefer 4-aco-dpt over it.

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    8 minutes ago, outlandish said:

    Can you compare 4-AcO-DPT to DPT? Is it like a long lasting and orally bioavalable DPT, or is it a lot different from the base tryptamine in it's quality? This might give some clue on how the 5-MeO variant could relate to the base.

    It is like DPT light. Very mystical. It definitely has the DPT "vibe", no question about it. It doesn't have that euphoria you get from 4-aco-dmt but it has something else. I've tried 4-ho-dpt as well, and DPT "related" substances have that mystical and seductive quality for me.

    Apparently it is hard to synthesize, therefore it was available for a little while here, so I immediatey bought a shitload. So it is not classified here like DPT is, vendors just won't bring it in.

    EDIT: Though I should also add that I had only one toe in nondual teachings back then. DPT gave me very many non-dual experiences but I would use them very differently today.

  10. Posted

    If you start using your environment as a teacher (like work, social situations) you will see directly that suffering happens when you need to grow and be humbled. It's easier to let go when you feel defeated and don't care. Then when arrogance and ego comes back, boom, more suffering. See for yourself. The key is to not curse God, but to know why it is happening and stay humble, and yeah that is very hard sometimes.

  12. Posted

    Just now, Leo Gura said:

    But other people also report positive nondual experiences like this guy:

    https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Experience:10mg_%26_20mg_Intravenous_DPT_HCl_-_Familiar_Shapes,_Experiencing_Death,_Immersed_in_The_Light

    I doubt he took 5-MeO-DMT before.

    Yeah, all my non-dual experiences have been positive as well. And far from every trip had "dark" qualities.

    Yeah, honestly I still don't know what to make of it. It's like no other thing.

  13. Posted

    1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

    @Esoteric That's very odd. I did not experience anything like that.

    I suspect that my DPT trips may be strongly influenced by prior 5-MeO-DMT breakthroughs. So basically all I get is pure nondual consciousness, not some visual hellscape.

    That's probably it.

  14. Posted

    2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    I have not experienced any darkness from it. Just pure God & Love. 

    I don't mean dark in the sense of the world being cruel and you feel disconnected. I mean like a dark piece of literature, music or comedy bit that you enjoy. It's beautiful. It has a dissociative quality in that way. Like you can observe things really clearly from a grounded place.

    Daniel Pinchbeck above has gone so far to write in a book of his that it is a portal to Satan. Sounds like he had a pretty traumatic experience on it lol.

  16. Posted

    Awesome Leo. You are a radical teacher.

    The thing with DPT dosage as well is that it builds on the previous dose. So if you take 50mg and fill it up with 25mg fyi it doesn't prolong the trip it actually takes you to 75mg dosage (if done within a certain time frame)

    I've also only had great experiences on it. I mean it is very dark sometimes, but in the most fascinating way.

    Also there is a church in Manhattan called The Church of True Inner Light that use DPT as their main sacrament. I remember getting their info-pdf. Pretty weird stuff. They basically believe in a Christian doctrine and that DPT is"weird and scary" until you go in with the belief that Christianity is right then it reveils Christian themed visuals and atmosphere. So it seems it can be deceptive to people that are naive, imo. Even more than your average psych

  17. Posted

    16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    It also seems to have no tolerance, similar to 5-MeO and DMT. Although this requires some further testing.

    Btw if this is DPT it has tolerance and if it doesn't deplete serotonin it does something after intense trips with little recovery that does not feel healthy. I learnt the hard way, so be careful with that if its DPT.

    Damn I'm getting too caught up in this.

  18. Posted

    6 minutes ago, Yonkon said:

    It's oftopic but @Esoteric mentioned it: What's the best psychedelic for experiencing music? DiPT should highly effect listening but i don't have much info..

    DiPT basically only distorts your auditory sense. Which is not that interesting.

    Psychedelics generally is great for enhancing music but DPT is on another dimension. It's a fucking religious experience. I'm telling you.

  20. Posted

    23 minutes ago, Shadowraix said:

    When you consume it it is. When you boof it it skips the metabolization process and the trip ends up differently. 

    Yup. It metabolizes into 4-ho-dmt (psilocin). That is the theory anyway and it make sense since the first part have a different character. Though it is not identical to shrooms, and I believe that has to do with the other stuff that's in mushrooms besides psilocin and psilocybin.

  21. Posted

    Hmm. I'm not sure if it could be DPT. I've had years where I tripped on DPT. And yeah, it is the strongest psychedelic I have taken (and the most fucked up, beautiful, scary and intriguing) and I have taken ALOT of psychs since 2012, but I have never taken 5-meo-dmt and I am under the impression it blows DPT out of the water. I mean DPT gets you to a non-dual state extremely effectively.. And I can't think of a stronger tryptamine besides DMT (though I argue DPT can be more powerful) and 5-meo-dmt.. So either it is an extremely exotic tryptamine that is really new or has flown under the radar or Leo happens to be very sensetive to it.

    Yeah, really curious about this.

     

  22. Posted

    27 minutes ago, MsNobody said:

    Haha that’s cute!

    @Florian This is such an interesting topic.

    I’ve also been noticing that more and more, the masculine traits are the ones society values the most because the era we are in right now is the era of information and materialism, you aren’t being paid well if you have good social skills, if you are empathetic, warm hearted, have character, is a kind person, people don’t give a fuck about your personality, what they care about is agility, production, rationality, logic, everything needs to be fast, doesn’t matter much the quality as long as you keep it up with the capitalist system. 

    Of course there are exceptions but you are right, women are being encouraged to be more masculine (because it’s what materialistic society values) and men repressing their feminine side because they do t get anything out of expressing the feminine traits, which created an unbalanced society. 

    But I feel like things are changing, slowly but it’s happening, as stage green takes over little by little, more women are in power and people are becoming more aware of the impact of the masculine society in our minds and specially on the environment, the masculine society is not sustainable in the long run, as you see our “homo sapiens” (not that sapiens) specie is gonna go extinct if we keep doing what we are doing. 

    If you see the Egyptians were a feminine centered society, woman were honored because of their power of bringing life to earth, and most interesting is that you would think a feminine centered society would only value women traits and would consider feminine traits to be more important but no, part of being feminine means accepting, embracing, an honoring both, which values both masculine and feminine and creates a balanced society. 

    Yes, all societies were women have been honored and put on the same pedestal (or higher) have been peaceful societies. Tantra being a fine example. You had this system blossom around 500 AD in India. In a masculine driven society you all of a sudden see a system blossom that honores women. And the more non-dual (kaula) paths of Tantra and the more Goddess worship (like Krama school) the more peaceful. I find this really really interesting.

    Leo has a tremendous book about Tantra on his list. One of my favourite reads.