If you honestly think that that list that i posted where i explicitly put wahhabist islam and scientology at the top of the list, wasn't pure satire, i think its you who should leave this forum and not me.
Your mistake is instantly assuming that I am defending Islam. I am not, I'm interested in a proper analysis and view of history and i was responding to an extremely biased person who calls islam poison etc. without any more context. this is idiocy and extreme bias and historically false.
Your arguments are also not true. the idea that islam has been this wahhabist regime all throughout time since its inception is blatantly false. in the first 100-200 years after the inception of islam it was literally the case that the rationalists (the mu'tazila who crudely said, basically merged islamic theology with greek rational philosophy) were at power and the literalists fundamentalists were the ones who were persecuted (ibn hanbal et al.) There have been a multitude of regimes and religious power structures within islam's political sphere throughout its history and some have been extremely anti-science while others were very pro, and some in between.
Ibn Sina wasn't persecuted for his science but for his philosophizing about theological matters. Ar-Razi the same who was basically an atheist and persecuted thereof.
Your dumbest idea is that scientists discovered things in spite of islam not because of it. its a childish reduction of complex manners.
scientists were inspired by figuring out the way that the monotheistic God fashioned and worked the universe. this was a big pro of islam in manners of scientific discovery. there were also big universities and libraries which were set up by religious scholars etc and who also were pro-science. the cosmopolitan and logistical nature of islamic empires with efficient exchange of information and goods also played a big role in this.
Yes, there was also heaps of bullshit and persecution within the islamic world. and you are right that free thought in manners of philosophy and theology were strictly repressed, of course this is the case. But i was responding to someone who said islam has had no fruits at all in terms of science and society which is just laughable. its very clear that you two are the ones with the bias here. islam was just a period of time and an invention that brought many new things, many bad, but also just a clear progression in society in terms of spiral dynamics. a progression from red to blue which is why it has many red elements in it as well.
and for the last time, im not defending islam. i have more and deeper criticisms of islam that you will ever have since you simply are not knowledgeable in this field. i was deep in islam during times were i wanted to kill myself and thought i found myself in the religion. i have lived and studied it and reasoned my way out of it due to sheer reason. i know things and have insights about islam that it is so corrupt and backwards that most muslims dont even know or dare to find out. I for example know that islam must completely cease to exist for society to progress onwards because there is absolutely no reforming it and it is a death cult in the end. just like christianity, worse in many ways, and also in many ways better.
the fact that by reading a rebuttal against someone who just calls islam poison and thinks thats a complete historical critique to have, makes you think i am defending islam should show you that you are not at all careful in your reasoning and making lots of assumptions.
You reasoning about the catholic church is also fallible. no one is crediting the catholic church one to one for making galileos telescope. but yes, the church both catholic and later protestants are basically responsible for modern science. all american universities were founded by fervent protestants. denying this is simply denying reality. and yes they were also responsible for killing many good philosophers and scientists. both are true, reality is paradoxical.
Since I'm assuming you wrote this by misunderstanding my obvious joke as serious, i won't be offended, but now that you know, i'm expecting you to alter this comment and remove my name from this claim. Peace.
