@Joseph Maynor @Inliytened1 I would argue that they are very differnt as well. Both obviously have a deep level of consciousness and have had profound insights into the nature of things, but their terminology, teaching style, and general approach to this work differ significantly. Leo, for example, tries to communicate about the nature of things directly, whereas Ralston would answer a question like 'What is the nature of infinity?' with simply: 'Blue!', because he is convinced that no verbal answer can make an existential difference and you should find out for yourself.