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For sure not having money can be a major hurdle to development but there’s something obvious in that. It’s not always the case though The general consensus is that having loads of money in life is always a net positive. There’s no downsides. Well there is because money corrupts and stagnates your consciousness if received at an early age. It makes you lazy and gives you a sense of superiority over others. You lose the connection to everyday men and women. You don’t experience the real struggles of affording to pay rent or thinking shit I need to get a job How do you ever forge yourself into becoming a man or a woman

I was reflecting recently on the impact of significant wealth that people either inherit or earn at a very young age and how it can keep you stuck in child dynamic for longer - maybe a lifetime If you’re young and you inherit vast amounts from mummy and daddy that money is in effect and extended parent. It takes away responsibility. You can effectively outsource any task, challenge, responsibility (however you want to put it) to someone else. You can hire a nanny, you can pay for a gardener, you can hire people to clean and tidy up after you There might be some rich people that would say that they still go out and work and take on responsibility but where are the stakes? Where’s the jeopardy? If you lose your job it’s no big deal. There’s no real stakes Taking responsibility and having stakes in life is how you’re forged into being an adult. Upping the stakes means more suffering but that grows you, makes you more compassionate as a human being and makes you more resilient in life. It humbles you and builds integrity. A lot of these tech billionaires are big kids. Like Trump. They haven’t had to face high stakes in life and have been neutered by their wealth Even if you were not born into a wealthy background and hadn’t inherited wealth, if you do happen to make multi millions in your early 20s it can still hinder your chance to mature and grow as an adult. Youngsters in their 20s are not adults. They’re still boys and girls for the most part

@Pedro M I’ve hustled and I’m fed up with it now. I don’t see work in terms of a hustle rather I consider whether it is something I want to do and if it will contribute to my personal development. Hustling to me sounds like chasing the dollar Burn through it and see where you land. I can tell you the best things in life are free. I love cycling and swimming in the lake. I enjoy hanging out with friends. It doesn’t cost anything. The only financially sensible thing that you may need to hustle for is getting on the property ladder

@SwiftQuill Sounds like you’ve had a lot of stuff to get off your chest. Breath brother I do not like political labels but I would say I’m on the left. I also don’t like to indulge in identity politics though of course I respect how people want to identify. I am aware of the debates and issues there and have views but they just don’t interest me like economics do. Excessive materialistic capitalism is perpetuating greed and dysfunction in the world - this is what I care about changing At a meta level politics is fundamentally missing the spiritual dimension. To be honest I’m starting to grow weary of democracy. I don’t believe society to be mature enough for it to work effectively. I discovered noocracy recently this is what we need

I believe that many of us wonder what is the intrinsic value of this forum for spiritual growth and personal development. Sometimes discussions on here feel more indulgent than enlightening. Saying this, debating for the sake of it can be fun and intellectually stimulating so nothing wrong with that as long as it's not overdone at the expense of time that could be better served elsewhere However I have found this forum to be highly rewarding to me in one key way - hearing about concepts and wisdom teachers that have opened the door to new perspectives and growth. This has happened a few times, but the most life changing for me was hearing about David Deida. This was the first place I'd heard of his name and work and it's led me down and interesting path of growth and spiritual orientation. I am very grateful for this forum and community in this regard

@LightLover2 OSMIO I have this one - https://www.osmiowater.co.uk/zip-portable-reverse-osmosis-system.html

@Leo Gura I want to hear Leo’s thoughts on this

Well death would be the end of something within our existing conceptual framework. You would enter something new because rebirth within this life would fall outside of that Our current reality does not hold rebirth as an existing thing that exists

Yes that is very true. Awakening is a continuous thing and I do not believe that we are truly in control of the ship. The universe is directing us. So much is out of our control. This I have been directly conscious of Actually I was wrong to say I intuit it about the death thing. Actually I can only speak from second hand knowing of spiritual wisdom that death is the end of the self and the ego. From that place the barriers between you and the divine collapse

@Someone here But that is only revealed to you if you are deeply conscious of it. You have to be awakened right now to know that. We live within the confides of the ego. I am very skeptical of people who say they are awakened because I know how deeply profound and tricky it is You can be in the moment and feel completely calm and present. Blissful. But this is not the same thing as actually being aware that this is the deepest truth. There’s a huge leap there consciously that you’re not considering. You can tell yourself that’s the case and feel good about it and intuit it but again that is not the same thing. A conscious opening has to happen where it actually feels true in your bones and in your soul absolutely. In that moment you are not human. On psychedelics you can get that but with waking consciousness you would have to be mystic. I don’t believe you have that level of awakening

@Carl-Richard for me the jury is still out when it comes to reincarnation. I have no idea. I’ve never had a conscious insight on that so I don’t know If let’s say for instance there is such a thing and the degree of your awakening in this life would determine the fullness of the next that would give awakening a genuine purpose but I am not conscious of reincarnation as an actual thing

@Inliytened1 I can only say that the path to awakening comes with a heavy price. There’s a lot of suffering and sacrifice. It’s not like I haven’t done a lot of spiritual work because I have. I have never done psychedelics for recreation, only for my own personal and spiritual growth. I have gained a lot from it Leo has said before in one of his videos that he sometimes regrets going so deep into it because once you do the game is up. I don’t know how he feels about this now but this chimes with my thinking that we’re in this world to live life even if it is a dream but walk in the world with one foot grounded in consciousness In terms of the matrix it’s all to a degree. I am not so unconscious that I do not have a connection to the divine through presence and the felt experience. I intuit more deeply life situations however I am not awakened to divine truth in each passing moment. I do get lost in the moment as the majority of people do. There are so few human on the planet that are actually awakened like that. Painfully small. Probably no one on this forum. Maybe just a handful on people

@ExploringReality I sense uncertainty in your words. If death is the end of you then we are referring to the ego. Without an ego you are god realised. It is the dissolution of the self that reveals truth

@Carl-Richard it’s not as easy as that though. Yes you’re right but you’re not considering how hard it is to cut through. If it was easy then everyone would be ‘awakened’. I doubt you are as there are so few humans that actually are and if they say they are I’m very skeptical Also just expand on that - so you’re saying death is sleep? Many teachers would say it is in death that you become awake There’s a massive chasm between saying this right now is truth and actually being completely fucking conscious of the truth. One is intellectual another is total and absolute enlightenment. I understand that there are degrees of truth and that you can get closer to it but to be full awakened to it right now. Wow. Just wow

Is there any point to awakening in this life when truth and reality will be revealed to you at death anyway? Isn’t life for living not for awakening? Or at least is awakening only for the purposes of serving you better in this life? I’ve primarily pursued spiritual growth for that reason Disclaimer: I’m intuiting death will reveal all (death = awakening) but I do not know that for sure. The death of the ego and dissolution of self brings us to the divine Edit: to expand, many of us intuit that life only has meaning if we give it meaning. For me awakening only has meaning in that it serves us better in this world. To be more ‘actualised’ in the world of form. There’s no meaning in awakening for the sake of awakening. Why do it?