PolyPeter

Pretty much, but what can you say to someone in that position to reconsider their perspective on psychedelics?

If there is something scarier than this, I don't want to know I hope you can find a way to share with the shaman that the dose was, maybe too much!

Hi forum !! I hope you are doing epic Recently, I came across this well-articulated human, who says very confidently that psychedelics, and psychedelic experiences add no value to getting one into "the path". He tries to use Logic to create a narrative to prove the point, but I find it vague and misleading. He says he has the authority to talk because of experience, in the past he took "almost every drug". He is not telling you which or how much or how many times (which makes me doubt instantly). I feel like I he is missing a lot from what's the real value of psychedelics, alongside meditation! Mind experiment: If you ever come across this human, and get to talk with him and he says this things. What would you say to him, in order to truly start to understand what psychedelics can offer, if used properly as tools? I thought that the clinginess that he refers to, is the same clinginess that he has, by not letting go of the idea that psychedelics are essentially bad and just appearances.

Oh shiiiiiit! Guys I wanna reply to every single comment, and I will, but I am a little busy with work at the moment. Thank you in advance for your nice ideas and questioning.

Absolutely!!! and about the deeper exploration, I also agree. But overall I can also see that I am not the only one trying to come up with this sort of ideas, and discussing them with like-minded people could create better ideas faster.

Even me trying to understand how to tell other people that looking for Truth is important not only for themselves but to the evolution of the human species too. The universe is always and will always be the universe, the universe does not care about things in particular, the unity of existence is the unity of existence, yes, tautology, but within the relative domain you can always imagine things to enhance relativistic things! like the enhancement of humanity.

MMMmmmm, I think that under the classic newtonian physics, this is right. But nowadays we have quantum mechanics, telling us that particles are not there until you measure them. Gravity is a consequence of particles having mass. But if in reality there are no particles to begin with, then there is no mass, leading to gravity not being true.

This got me thinking when you think about people who are super super far away from become Aware of Consciousness, and start hurting other people, abusing, exploiting, robbing, we as a society learned that we dont just love them as they are, we lock them up in prison cells, and depending on what they've done, some of them get the Death penalty. That does not sound like "love them as they are" to me. In fact, is loving them as they are that would get us in trouble, because if you did, they would continue to murder and do evil shit. What do you think about this? is there always a clear line between loving people as they are and letting unconscious people get away with their misbehavior? what count as a misbehaving? it varies over time, across the planet... When you say you love them as they are, I think that you should also make explicit what is not acceptable, which is not the same for everyone.

This is certainly true! For now. I can imagine a future of humanity where it is elevating its baseline consciousness and falling into traps is not so common as it is today. Maybe it is the optimistic mindset, maybe is reading the tendencies. Thank you for the answers !!

Ok, this is still difficult to measure or to recognize. Someone can be lying to you about what they want, whether they know it or not. How do you handle this scenario?

I understand, I don't see it too often where I live. I think it has to do wit the location, third world countries may have it a little bit more difficult to have an enlightened population, due to survival issues being more common, I guess. when you say optimistic, you overestimate how ready a human is? has this ever been a problem for you or the other?

Ok!! Thank you for your messages!! This is a veeery long term goal. So, any milestone will be celebrated. You are actually correct when you mention the Don quijote reference, I do feel some of that from time to time, but I will take your advice and not take it personal.

ok, this leads me to the following: How to know when someone is ready? How to know when someone is not ready? How can you measure readiness?

Radical skepticism, even skepticism of your own skepticism, is not about beliefs but rather the opposite. I see your point that in many cases, in order to just start to look for the truth, you must have some sort of Belief that there might or might not be such thing as Truth. But that is different from directly knowing what Truth is. Without the mind, without the filter of perception messing it all up. You are truth, you don't have to look for it outside of yourself for believe in it to know it, in fact, that's the chief mistake!

Religion requires Belief. Truth has nothing to do with belief.