Fluran
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Isnt it actually possible to ship to east africa from European vendors
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20 hours ago, OBEler said:@Leo Gura I think there must be a way not to be skullfucked. I want to experience all these spiritual insights as smoth and soft as possible. Everything under my control, even out of control should be under control and I feel this substance is the best choise for this. But ok if it skullfucked me in the end then I need to accept that. Hope I can
I feel that you'd experience something breakthrough at least around 13~18
They are indeed intense, just intense..
Sometimes its so intense that gives you breakthrough
Sometimes it is not so intense that it reminds you previous lessons
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3 hours ago, OBEler said:@Leo Gura ok maybe I need to try nasal spray then. Maybe the absorption there is more predictable
Transforming all powder into liquid form is useful for more accurate dosage
Powders can absorb humidity and have some condense area than others, some area less condense.
It is really a damn difficult challenge to measure correctly, how can we believe our 5 dollar cheap syringes
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6 hours ago, OBEler said:@Fluran what did you experience on 15g malt? And cam you explain why sometimes 6 mg kick as strong as 15 mg and sometimes not at all?
Can be measurement error that dosages are inaccurate, can be that i am effectively maintaining ego that level, speaking and still thinking, also self-observing
Can be just mood! Can be also if mind is busy or calm, acceptance what is coming, relaxed.
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In my experience, 6mg was strong as 15mg sometimes, as well 18mg 5meodmt, i had some kind of breakthrough experience, that changed me kinda permanently healthier, but same 18mg 5meodmt, i did not experience same super intensity
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11 hours ago, Nilsi said:If anything, I would take Nietzsche as a proxy for stage CORAL: post-metaphysical spirituality, return to the body, new POWERGODS (TIER 2 is supposed to mimic TIER 1, so YELLOW = BEIGE, TURQUOISE = PURPLE, CORAL = RED).
This (like TURQOISE) is such a vague concept that you can project virtually anything into it.
Yeah that's what original spiral dynamics (like third video) talks about, while integral theory says that Indigo(coral) isnt like that,
Nietzsche, übermensh philosophy, übermensh is definitely coral I feel, that is why I feel also it is so connected with solipcism as well. A god, playing the Game that is reality.
Down below is visualised image and poem when I had "no-God realisation on 5meodmt trip 18mg ROA", there was intense nihilism and after standing up, burning through nihilism I had some profound liberation.
"Oh, hello, the one who's stirred from dreams, Arrived at the edge of the collapsing universe, Witnessing the meaninglessness and death of self, Yet all that's left is love, and nothing else. Weak, vulnerable, and fragile too, But inherently lovable, The awakened universe, beyond words or tongue"
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On 04/08/2023 at 7:44 PM, Adam M said:It’s hard for me to explain…
But consciousness is so infinitely diverse that there are humans who have access to completely different and unique realms of being.
There are strong disagreement and strong resonation agreement within me which makes it interesting and i will go listen through.
Well, perceived and judged as solid, stable healthy green, I have not investigated yet
And it is also common pattern of yellow, seeing turquoise as green, spoke by yellow.
We are also maybe confused that, highly developed yellow as turquoise, highly developed green as Turquoise.
5meodmt makes me just shut down all models and spiral dynamics thats all pointless, just love yourself, these models are not important
But my ego comes back, no they are important, without those survival as individual and collective is difficult, in fact, these structures are crystalisation love.
About Don Juan and main stream spiritual, i do not know about Don Juan,
But I see that main stream spirituality, lets say green, really avoids darkness or negativity
When we think about Aztec nonduality, from brutal ruthless empire, burning fellow humans from neighbour human farm to keep the Sun burning,
Spirituality should not be just positivity and happiness, it can also be ruthlessness, ..when we embody nonduality, we are the master and slave, millions of jews and the facist leader (The Egg documentary in kurzgesagt Youtube channel).
Dune, paul atreides gets tormented by the god ability he got, conflict is already designed
Bhagavad Gita, when Prince Arjuna has to kill their fellow family and friends, teachers, he is tormented by the fate he is carrying.
And supreme being kirshna, showing his true presence to arjuna, the many faced being, that soldiers are pushing themselves into krishna's mouth to let krishna devour them, telling that whether they die or not, their original essence of nature has not been changed, so Arjuna must do what he has to do, as a warrior.
These stories adds nuanced into spirituality, what is conflict, what is violence and war?
Especially between Aztect nondualism and Bhagavad Gita, and dune together,
It tells me that "we should not fear the conflict, fear is the mind killer, through conflict, we can grow up, without fight, without conflict, universe will stop evolving and die"
I feel, those stories as well, have something to tell about coral stage.
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15 hours ago, blackchair said:sorry OP, you are not even yellow, orange at most, you just googled "coral" and copy pasted the shit from Google to here, just mentioning Putin at tier 2 it's showing that' you don't know what are you talking about. and person that you copied that wrote that about Putin got blasted very quickly.
Yeah that's interesting, sure mind can self deceive going back and forth
Also find bunch of evidence to solidfy the identity that I am yellow
While some conditions make me forced to act and think in lower stage, survival challenges in every different stages.
Well, i shared that third video has different perspective, that putin showed some cognitive ability to manipulate world, orchesterating chaos, so did i say putin is coral, that video said that putin showed coral cognitive complexity in his action, so it was an interesting perspective.
And there can be multiple lines of development, whether a person is highly highly cognitively developed, but interpersonally, ethically disasterously not developed, that is a human apocalypse.
What do you really have against putin, sure he is cruel ruthless face to face conspiracy factory manufacturer, still his action, how he gaslights rest of world, orchesterazing chaos can be coral. that is what "third video" is deliverying.
Anyway, i am curious about that person blasted quickly, i am wondering what happened around him.
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free to delete shut down if you find talking about coral is too much lol i wont know that it happened
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first and two video share similar perspective
third video has different perspective on coral that coral is another advanced intuitive thinker that deals with chaos x chaos, deconstructing "brutally" pathetic part of organisation and emerging it with others, Democracy as a structure becomes meaningless on higher state of consciousness, because, somehow, people are acting based on their fear and ego, which makes it easier to manipulate
Leto atreides 2 God-Emperor, darth vader, rocksfeller, putin's nuanced malicious attack on Ukraine and jeopardisingwhile turquoise is about harmony within chaos.
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it makes also clear what turquoise is about, ego-aware, construct-aware person, in spiral dynamics how it is portraited seems just magical, not understanding fully,
turquoise gurus which greens follow, they show turquoise features but still often lack complexity
maybe it's my bias from yellow, thinking that turquoise should have complexitybut terence mckenna, alan watts,
qualitatively different system thinker such as daniel schmachtenberger,
not only complex system thinking but also posessing general vibrant empathy.
they are best example of turquoise that they remain complexity, but also not missing empathy. -
so, as a yellow centered metamodern system thinker dreaming and digging informations about coral stage from several years, I came into conclusion that it is about solipsism, hellish unstable state of consciousness, process of cleansing the mind, also peak state of 5meodmt/malt
after 5meodmt/malt, yellow centered person remains relatively on turquoise, but while on 5meodmt/malt, on my subjective experience often there is destabilisation of mind, dualistic conflict between absolute Love and Knowledge/understanding (this should be coral)
after trip, yellow centered person increases intution and love about 1 day still maintaining ego, which makes it construct-aware turquoise.
Integrated AI: Endgame (slow pace, Spiral Dynamics, evolution)
Dr Alan D. Thompson
this screenshot below shows how each stage sees AI, yellow has a systemic perspective about AI, and turquoise also increases it's complexity further, then in coral, complexity drops, Love pushes in and cleanses all logic. this would be same as well, in middle of 5meodmt, it forces me to shut up and surrender to love, love, and I resist it cause I like these knowledges.
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7 minutes ago, Thought Art said:Sounds intense
they say that it is tryptamin with mdma, i just assume it is lesser version of 5meomalt (less nondual, more MDMA)
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what is this about? I just happen to got it with bundle of God molecule 5meodmt
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/AMT#Chemistry
curious to hear your experience
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1 minute ago, ValiantSalvatore said:Dude you can't just give it random defnititions. Did you even read the paper? https://www.actualized.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/9-levels-of-ego-development-cook-greuter.pdf
I don't really get what you're writting and at this point I won't care. People are not playing a game, I get the perspective for sure, yet there is still physical reality.
yeah, it's based on cook greuter's model. strategiest(yellow) construct aware (yellow/turquoise) unitive stage (turquoise?)
I am not sure if what i experienced is same as Construct-aware, but It must be construct(game) aware,
people are playing a game, a giant complex board game which is society.there are loots of texts from you that are valuable and giving me insights, not so much time to answer
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19 hours ago, ValiantSalvatore said:I agree what I meant more is from tripping what is not truely earned does not stay in a sense, my comment might have been to aggressive. Also to be frank drinking coffee is close to valueless for me, as I get aggressive when I drink a lot of coffee. Caffeine does have value in tea for me for example and coffee has a strong social component etc...
Psychdelics are an amazing tool, I just also had deeper insights and breakthroughs through meditation so far, although the deepst have been with psychdelic I doubt the path can be done with only psychdelics that is what I meant with "unearned consciouness is valueless" some level of practice has to be there, or eventually you're just genetically gifted somehow in this. There barely are any functioning people at stage turqouise cognitvely that are many there. I don't also quiet understand what is written...It's not inherently valuless it has immense value. The point is just doing psychdelics without some experience and or legit doing it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, and integrating trips. I doubt it elevates consciouness that much without that, without retreats and a serious practice, although I intuit retreats are more powerful and a basic practice may suffice. Still even research says it's the single most religious experience a person can have, as well as have the single most defining experience in terms of what someone could call experiencing god, and or having experienced god. I don't disagree with you, it's a little more nuanced. I also don't quiet understand what you're saying.
Having construct awareness in itself is not that much of value, if it's only beign construct aware, as this is still ego that does not include morals and emotions, there are many academics at construct aware, and that is not all to great when they fundamentally operate at stage orange scientific materalism. Obviously it's of benefit that a community can re-organise itself in a community context, I also doubt a bit that many communities are fully construct aware, most are at green and are not functional, they don't even manifest themselves for the greater good like yellow would and gain skills to solve deep problems and have this type of orientation. I might be interpreting to much, but I find what you wrote to be a bit odd.by construct-awareness, means being aware that everyone is playing a game or dreaming and not aware of themselves, especially in high-level of construct awareness, being construct-aware means also feeling that I am outside of the game/social-reality
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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:I know what you're talking about. I had that sort of panic reaction the first time I tried 5-MeO-DMT.
It's a panic response. You need to learn to control your mind, relax, and stay calm during a trip. If you let your mind run wild you will start to panic and devolve into all sorts of madness.
on third dose which was just 17mg, starting from extreme calmness but gradually I faced Intense nihilism that is tearing world apart.
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5 hours ago, ValiantSalvatore said:If construct-awareness is something no inherent without psychdelics and you need something as strong as 5-meo DMT, I'd say it's even better to have a normal meditation practice and see how the mind is constructed. Some things might stay true, unearned consciouness is valueless.
why would it be valueless? it does also give more daily experience to integrate advanced state of consciousness, breakthrough trips have significant values, only if that is possible to integrate.
is drinking coffee valueless?
collectively construct-aware, so that people in Community context can reorganise it's culture and order, is this valueless?6 hours ago, ValiantSalvatore said:To be a bit more chill, I dunno after doing and smelling DMT a couple of times I sometimes smell it in parks and wonder if it could be extracted, yet I guess the structure... of the fragrance is simply similar I smell it often after rain at specific parks. I am hypersensetive, just smelling this has a mild psychdelic effect on me, yet also just because I allow it also. Calling this diverse application "psychotechnology" is a bit to much no?
Like getting high randomly of trees smelling like DMT, can be a bit to much for me. I could smell lavender and I would be also relaxed... I mean having DMT infused incense would be kinda dope, if you could seriously trip that way. That actually would be diverse application of a psychotechnology!5-meo-dmt Sauna or extremely micro-dosed 5-meo-dmt holy fruit juice, psychedelics in vaporizer for humidity control and tripping etc, there is infinite ways, a psychedelic ritual for decision making process of a community (in the context of village, monastery) can be interesting as well, although it will be always a challenge that 5-meo-dmt will disrupt structure of ritual itself.
7 hours ago, ValiantSalvatore said:People are dumb, it will be inevitable that someone will do it, no one is going to save this, you can warn people from the dangers to some extend. It's like A.I will be abused for some relgious purpose to some extend and be worshipped similar to god by materalists. It's inevitable to some extend that a minority of this will make this happen. I still look at the bright side of it. Especially if it get's more powerful. It's an outsourcing of authority and fear at play.
by religion, I purely meant a way to coordinate society,
"and this will limit development of psychotechnologies, rituals, birth of new religion."
by this, I meant, attaching ourselves on traditional shamanism can block us from exploring new development of traditions, religions(a new way to coordinate world, ecology of Rituals).
I "believe" that this is how traditions are born, doing some stupid silly thing experimentally and it turns out to work very well.
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5 hours ago, OBEler said:@Fluran smelling and snorting is the same, you just got 5 meo in your nose. Whats the difference
1.Compatibility/allergie test, snorting or plugging are just way to intense, so for beginners of any psychedelic, smelling can be a testing dose.
+ there is no burning sensation
2.anchoring, marking
By smelling, it is difficult to measure how much mg is taken through nose, but definitely less than micro-dose amount.
With this, it can be gateway to go back to where there was breakthrough experience.
"Imagining that I am going to trip on 5meodmt, already alters my mind."
3.microdosing, everyday application
It gives me exceptional calmness, fearlessness.
And low level of Construct-awareness.
Powerful trips are difficult to integrate, but everyday micro doses, are easier to integrate, embody, and rewrite our mind.
Potential danger of it
1.i do not know how much i dose, and how much in long term
By smelling it is difficult to measure how much i dose, I know it is significantly tiny dose, still I do not know how much in long term.
2.physical, mental health
Do not know yet long consequence of micro-micro-dosing of psychedelics
I just feel somehow tiredness, as well it feels also just difficult to smell it everyday.
Common critics and answers
"You should be able to do it without psychedelics"
It really does not matter what methods, and i see broader application of psychedelics in the Society, just like how coffee is integrated into modern Society, and more than how coffee is playing a role in our society, it could be a technology that maintains infrastructure of society.
"Psychedelics enlightenmentare not real enlightenment, meditation enlightenment are real"
In Zen/chan buddihism, best way to meditate is not practicing it.
Do nothing, probably.
Meditation is a useful guide, but it is itself a construct of mind, And enlightenment involves deconstructing meditation itself.
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I am recently discovering diverse application of Psychedelics - psychotechnology
what I see on current psychedelic culture is serious limitation and dogmas (Green stage psychedelics.. neo-shamanism and so on)
even many yellow/metamodern stage people are also heavily into neo-shamanism, and this will limit development of psychotechnologies, rituals, birth of new religion.lately I figured out method that is almost no risk to dose 5-meo-dmt, it is simply, smelling(can be considered as snorting)
I had a pouch that had 5-meo-dmt bottle in it, and bottle got broken out and 5-meo-dmt liquid got leaked, absorbed in pouch, smelling this pouch once or twice was enough to have an effect on me.
extraordinary calm, fearlessness, low-level of construct-awareness.
it is not crazy like 10+ mg trip it has really mild effect that does not disturb my daily activity, just, more relaxed.
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Its impressive that with 5meodmt traumas or personal shadow do not come to me, they are just gone
I do not have much experience with magic mushroom or lsd, or even dmt, maybe they may show me some horror.
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So.. I am recently into the topic how to integrate AI by relocating/repositioning human consciousness with help of Psychedelics, with intense relevance realisation and adaptation
But this video is also interesting
This video is about Ai synthesizing new substances, so basically a road to Spice melange
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but even with those unhealthy conditions, altered state of consciousness is what alerts me to live healthy!
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Heres death cult luuul
in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Posted · Edited by Fluran
I will bring some crap here
subject experiences and evidences indicate that It could be coral/indigo and beyond,
many models say that it's tier 3, and I resonate with it, because I see solipsism a greatest mindfuck and dangerous as hell that by just entering it by little bit gave me little mental destablization, it's been more than a month without psychedelics.
to be responsible of the universe in the societal scale, there has to be a state of consciousness that sees every human beings are in a way programmed mainly by fear of survival, being able to seeing each of human beings and collective living in the dream.
by being less fearful, meaning tasting, observing fear. by confronting existential fear, also seeing through illusion of self/others(which solipsism may help), as well coral life condition(where you are faced with existential crisis, survival challenges, involved in huge conflict, political struggle), where mind has abundance of chaos and uncertainty, and immense fear to embody, and see, realise, adapt, that all fear is an illusion, Fear makes us freeze, fear makes cognitively limited, fear puts us in the dream.
being construct-aware(turquoise) is not enough to experience that everything is a dream, turquoise is still living in a dream, trying to organize it's dream within world of chaos or dreamlessness, turquoise does not also confront all kinds of shadow and trauma or existential crisis directly, while coral is living through hell, shadow, trauma, existential crisis
coral starts navigating this world of dreamlessness, waking up itself is hellish and scary, mind is overwhelmed by teriffying degree of complexity, as well terrifying degree of responsibility that it has to carry, as mind, or I am responsible for everything that is happening, that has happened, and that will happen in future, "nothing is true, is to realize that very foundation of the existence and Civilization is fragile, that nobody can save me from this existential crisis, I am responsible for everything, because, only I exist."