Gigsi

Yes, I agree sometimes I imagine this human experience evolving over time, becoming more and more ‘rewarding,’ like new updates being added. At first everything is almost like heaven no stress, no challenge. Then more diversity appears, then small challenges, and eventually even forgetting that you’re in a human experience at all, becoming completely immersed in the dream. Like what the Bible calls heaven could be seen as an original version of the dream pure harmony, no struggle. But maybe that state required a kind of meaning humans couldn’t even comprehend yet, because without contrast or challenge there’s nothing to grip onto.

Is it possible that what awakening reveals is just one infinite mind? one “God” but that this isn’t all that exists? That you only ever awaken within this one, because you’re inside it, even if there could be others outside of it? And that no matter what happens, the awakening is always into this one mind, not beyond it? And when you say “God is absolute infinity” does that mean it must include every possible reality that can exist? If so, wouldn’t that also include a reality where God doesn’t know it’s God, where this not‑knowing process happens and something like the human experience appears? That kind of makes sense to me, even though I don’t have any direct experience of what infinity actually is. If this were the case this human life only exists for the sake of infinity being truly infinite.

I resonate with the absence-of-purpose part. But when you say ‘absolute perfection’ or ‘coherent patterns,’ that already sounds like meaning being reintroduced in abstract form. How is that different from purpose, just without a God figure? And how do you know this rather than it being a poetic description of what appears? Also, this experience I’m having clearly started at some point what I call my birth. That alone makes it feel like something before this allowed or triggered this experience to begin. I’m not saying intention or purpose, just that it had a start. How do you look at that without turning it into another story?

I’m curious where this idea of a mechanism actually comes from. I hear it a lot, but I can’t trace how anyone knows this rather than believes it. Is it based on direct experience, a lineage or tradition, channeled information, or inference after the fact? For example, my girlfriend does sessions where people connect to their higher self, receive hints, and work through energetic tensions, past-life material, or soul contracts. I believe her sincerity, and for some people it clearly helps, i can see real effects. But I still can’t tell whether that means there is an objective mechanism built into reality, or whether this is a psychologically and somatically effective framework operating inside the ‘dream’ of this universe. What I’m trying to understand is: how did the first people arrive at these claims? How do we distinguish something that works as a healing model from something that’s actually describing the nature of reality itself, rather than being meaningful, placebo, or wishful thinking?

So you’re saying this experience just exists, and that’s it. I go through it simply because it happens to exist?

Interesting idea does this theory come purely from what feels most sensible or logical to you, or have you directly experienced become conscious of something that points to God getting trapped in loops and needing karmic resets?

From that perspective, what is the purpose of the human experience? Is it primarily a challenge or series of lessons for gathering wisdom to benefit our spirit or higher self? Or is it simply God experiencing itself, and that’s all? I’ve heard from many sources that our soul chooses a particular life to learn specific lessons, is this accurate, or more like wishful thinking? Is there some mechanism where God, the universe, or our spirit guides observe our experiences and eventually decide, “Okay, enough of this challenge, the lesson is learned; let’s move on to the next episode”? Or are concepts like spirit guides and karmic pathways just blind faith, appealing because they sound convincing? This question stems from my own reflections: When I find myself stuck in life situations that I wish to escape, yet keep facing the same challenges, could the reason be that my soul or spirit believes the lesson hasn’t been learned? Perhaps because I tend to run from these situations instead of realizing and appreciating the full scene, the full perspective, and the beauty of it, and truly going through it to emerge into something new, rather than just trying to finish and flee from it?

Does anyone here actually understand why extreme suffering is justified? I’ve met people whose life was just complete anxiety, fear, judgement, abuse - every single day thinking about giving up, and this went on for years and years. My own life so far has been more stress and anxiety than bliss and love. Not even bliss - just calmness and peace would be enough, but I haven’t found it even though I’ve been searching for years already. I’m sure I’ll get the answer “well that means you didn’t search enough” haha, but anyway. I get what you’re saying OP. When stress, pain and suffering go on for years, and if there’s some energy or being or cosmic consciousness imagining all this thinking “oh this is great, that’s what it should be” - without some extremely huge awakening of why such complete suffering makes sense, it seems like this supreme god being could have been a little bit more loving. And yes, loving from a human perspective, because we ARE human and this suffering, whether it’s illusion or whatever you want to call it, feels as real as it gets. And honestly, most of these answers that say “god is love” or “reality is love” - sorry but it sounds like coping more than words from someone who’s really saying this from their real feelings and direct experience.

So I just had this insight while on THCa CBD mix, that completely reframed how I understand yoga. Basically, yoga is like a workout for your inner attention - that part of you that’s awareness, concentration, body sense. It’s like a muscle in some ways, but there’s a key difference. When a physical muscle goes unused, it just stays undeveloped. But this inner part? It stays undeveloped AND it’s chaotic on top of that. Your attention just goes crazy, can’t stay still at all. What yoga actually does is train this other side of our experience - the non-physical side - little by little. Over time it gets more activated and starts becoming more dominant than the “I am body” identification. You shift more into the “witness” part, which is tuned into what consciousness is actually experiencing right now, not speculation or mental noise. And looking around my body right now with this perspective, I finally get what the energy body is. You can sense your legs, organs, whatever, through something that isn’t physical. That’s your energy body being perceived by awareness. My mistake with yoga: I was jumping straight into complex practices without realizing I needed to start small. It’s genuinely hard to immediately control your awareness, breath, posture, and simultaneously do all these things - moving attention around while chanting, hitting certain patterns for 15-20 minutes. Of course you can’t do it as a beginner. You get frustrated because you don’t see meaning in it or what should happen, because you can’t even perceive that side of yourself yet. Your mind just keeps talking about what it thinks is happening. Better approach: Start with small steps. First, just learn to watch your spine with awareness. No chakra centers or chakra theory yet. I think the main chakra centers that people focus on are actually just the ones that naturally have a strong pull - your awareness senses them more strongly for certain reasons. Like right now I can very strongly sense my groin and forehead. So instead of forcing yourself through all the chakras with attention, just teach yourself to even sense them first. Then maybe later you start imagining your breath going into them. Then maybe in the future you combine the various things your teacher shows you and you actually manage to do it properly, and you get some type of consciousness state change. Which honestly is easy to understand even from normal experience - if you breathe slower, it gives you a less activated state, you relax and slow down, even your mind slows. Random thought on psychedelics: I’d imagine this type of evolution happens in humans naturally but at a much slower speed unless you work at it like a workout. Psychedelics probably stress these functions by numbing or over-activating parts of our experience, or even activating things we haven’t reached through our own observation yet. So when the psychedelic interacts with these systems, we still get some type of answer in our experience - whether we’re completely lost or gradually matching what the full potential state would be. Anyway, just wanted to share this realization. The key thing is recognizing that this is actual training of a real capacity, not just ritual or belief.

@Leo Gura I keep hearing from you recommending kriya yoga leo, could you please explain kind of what your session consists of? I have done inner engineering course and followed it for some months, but the kind of rules it had given for when and how to do kriya made me feel i was giving myself too much things to manage and was always overwhelmed which made me drop it. I imagine you recommend only breathing practice yes?

Sometimes when I’m in the middle of normal everyday stuff, working, cleaning, doing random chores, I suddenly get this strong feeling of alienationn. It’s like my attention drops the practical situation completely and all that’s left is this question: how is any of this possible at all? It doesn’t feel like panic or dissociation. It’s more like reality becomes too exposed. The fact that there is experience happening at all becomes the main thing. I’m just here, perception is here, this whole situation is here, and that alone feels strange and overwhelming. In those moments it also feels like this is all there is. And if that’s true then whatever people call God or infinity or meaning must already be here too, not somewhere else. But that thought doesn’t even stay long. What really takes over is this constant how is this possible. Like the mind keeps hitting something it can’t understand or get behind. No insight, no conclusion, just being stuck with the raw fact of existence. I’m not sure how to frame this or what to do with it. I’m curious if others experience something similar or have thoughts on what this points to.

Do you mean this as a universal truth that anyone can directly realize with enough consciousness work, or is it simply how your awakening revealed itself? How can i tell the difference between a universal insight and my mind’s interpretation of its own realization? Also, something I keep hearing, my girlfriend and many spiritual people seem to demonize anything that comes from “the mind”. But if, as you say, Mind is reality, I find it hard to see what’s truly outside of mind, or if that distinction even matters. How do you see this?