Lila9

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  1. Posted · Edited by Lila9

    53 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    People who keep pushing their bias here with no self-awareness or shame will be blocked from posting in the politics sub-forum.

    We have standards here against blatant spreading of bias.

    This is your last warning.

    Ok, I suppose I am one of these people you refer to. I would say to my defense that I experience people demonizing Israel disproportionately and I respond to that because from my perspective these claims are absurd.

    I would love to hear how you suggest to communicate here, how a discussion in the standards of this forum should look like, and maybe also give some examples from this thread of what comments you consider as pushing bias VS legitimate comments.

    It also would be nice if you share your meta view of this conflict in a few points, assuming you studied it well, I want to learn and see what I'm missing.

  3. Posted

    27 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

    @zazenOke, fair enough 

     

    The golden insight is that Jews are fighting for their naked survival. This is not a mere bias that can be shaken but is at the very core of every Israeli including very liberal ones.

     

    Another insight would be is that Israeli society is like family, very open, socially free, always ready to help or do their duty and from my well-traveled experience it is the most compassionate of all societies when it comes to the elderly, disabled and handicapped people. 

    I’ve seen it, Israeli youngsters would pick up an old slowly walking grandpa and drive him to his home or help him with his groceries.

    On YT I even heard the story of a low life Russian drug addict who was’t even Jewish. He was picked off the street and stayed at the house of a very normal middle class Israeli family. Can you Imagine, having a drug addict where your children play and sleep. The addict reformed out of gratitude and became an devout orthodox christian, getting his life together. 

    Even Naftalie Bennet, the former PM had a random mentally ill girl stay at his home who tragically committed suicide by dressing up in burka and charging at Israeli police with a knife. 

    Israelis are not perfect and also bicker all the time and are sometimes too brazen and rash for my taste. But at the end of the day they create, build and take care of each other. And they get embittered and will close themselves off to the people that want to destroy that.  

    This is beautifully written, thank you for sharing.

     

  6. Posted

    11 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

    Why Qatar funding US universities?

    https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/bjldya2qa

    That explains why these "woke" educated students in the US support Islamist terrorism and rationalize it, they are literally funded and brainwashed by pro- terrorists across the world.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/education/4328440-pro-terrorist-cash-is-funding-us-higher-ed-and-taxpayers-should-be-upset-about-it/

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/funding-from-arab-countries-us-universities-raises-questions-almost-always-come-strings-attached

     

    Teal's video about today's "woke" culture is relvent than ever.

  7. Posted

    Why Qatar funding US universities?

    https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/bjldya2qa

    That explains why these "woke" educated students in the US support Islamist terrorism and rationalize it, they are literally funded and brainwashed by pro- terrorists across the world.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/education/4328440-pro-terrorist-cash-is-funding-us-higher-ed-and-taxpayers-should-be-upset-about-it/

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/funding-from-arab-countries-us-universities-raises-questions-almost-always-come-strings-attached

  8. Posted

    3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

    I think that makes the goal to be even more important now if we want a chance for them to utilize this trauma to healthier places and even to get a kind of treatment later in their life.

    I agree, this is very important. This is the real key to change.

    Someone should take positive ownership of them. All these human rights organizations, including UNRA, who hang there could do that, but instead, they covertly cooperate with Hamas and other Islamist terrorist organizations that indoctrinate these children and put guns in their hands.

    Many social justice warriors in the world speak in the name of these children, as if they really care about them, but none of the adults among them aim to protect them from Hamas and the toxic ideology that creates generations of terrorists.

    They simp, glorify and idealize these Islamists in their head, see them as heros and as legitimate freedom fighters, as if rape and killing babies is a legitimate act of freedom.

    Instead of blaming Israel for defending itself against terrorists, which puts the future generation of Palestinians in countinoius suffering for them and for Israel, someone should hold these terrorists accountable for their anti-Israel, antisemitic, and Islamist toxic ideology, not to mention their horrific October 7 crimes.

    If there is no one in the world who can stand against them, they shouldn't be surprised if Israel does that. If they don't like the way Israel does that, they can go and do it themselves.

     

  9. Posted · Edited by Lila9

    https://www.jns.org/210-congress-members-denounce-south-africas-genocide-charge/

    210 Congress members denounce South Africa’s genocide charge

    The letter notes that while South Africa barely acknowledged the Hamas terrorists “who gleefully massacred, mutilated, raped, and kidnapped innocent civilians” on Oct. 7, it made “grossly unfounded and defamatory charges against Israel on the world stage.”

    Calling it an abuse of the judicial process to delegitimize Israel, the letter goes on to state that to charge the Jewish state with genocide is “particularly cynical given that the term ‘genocide’ was coined following the murder of six million Jews in the Holocaust.”

    “We vigorously denounce South Africa’s deeply hostile stance towards Israel and thoroughly reject its charge of genocide,” it continues, urging the Biden administration to continue to oppose the trial.

  10. Posted

    2 hours ago, kenway said:

    One of the bad things about being telepathic is feeling people's suffering.

    One of the good things about being telepathic is that I can feel @Lila9 already feverishly typing a response to the above.

    I had a nice tea break at that time. Maybe you need to sharpen your telepathic skills... 

    1 hour ago, Merkabah Star said:

    lol. Love your propaganda.

    Thank you, that's a nice start, maybe if you could replace the word 'propaganda' with 'truth' that could be more respectful.

    1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

    What a load of BS.

    You guys really need to keep rewatching my videos about Bias, cause that lesson flew over your head.

    I was sarcastic.

  12. Posted

    15 minutes ago, zazen said:

    Palestinians are 20% of Israels population. Pro-Israeli's talk about how they have a great life and no apartheid within Israel so how are you guys able to live side by side there? Are the Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza a different type of Palestinian.

    I struggle to see how this all ends. A issue with the two state solution is that from the West Bank there is a direct sight of Tel Aviv and Ben Gurion airport - the elevated position and proximity means direct attacks and snipers are within range. I can understand why Israel would be hesitant about this, especially after bringing so much bad blood between them and Palestinians. Then you have settlers already placed in West Bank who are more extreme and armed now which makes them impossible to move.

    Then with Gaza it has been made uninhabitable and is still 'too risky' for Israeli residents to be living near such a place in Israel's eyes. So the two state solution the world is calling for seems difficult to achieve and something that Israel won't even allow. What you will effectively have is a militarily controlled land where Palestinians live but who aren't part of Israeli democracy - that is basically occupation and apartheid, similar to what is already the situation but without Hamas and with military check points within Gaza similar to West Bank.

    Israeli Arabs are moderate. There are radicals but not enough to create big mess inside Israel.

    Palestinians in WB and Gaza are more radical and it is not a good fit with the Jews radicals in Israel.

    Both Muslims and Jews are not conscious enough to have a state which is equally Muslim and Jewish, both have different values and belief systems. Israel and Palestine should agree on basic values and things to coexist in one state, in reality, they are very far from agreement.

    In general, both Israelies and Palestinians are traumatized from each other so living face to face is not a good idea.

    Why not live under Palestinians? Reality proves that it's not safe for Jews to live under Muslim government, even if it's not that religious. And there are barely any Jews in Muslim countries (except Azarbajan which supports Israel).

    While the opposite, Muslims under a Jewish goverment, proves itself safe, Muslims thrive in Israel, especially the Muslim women.

    There are literally queer Muslims in TLV, who feel safer among Jews in TLV rather than among Muslims in their birth village, that alone says a lot. 

    Two state solution could be good if they proved themselves safe and not wanting to destroy Israel.

    It's up to them to show they invest their money to develop themselves rather than in weapons to destroy Israel. Otherwise, Israel would do everything to secure itself from them.

    Iran is threatening to destroy Israel for years, they are funding Hamas. 

    What could grantee that they will not attack Israel once they gain a state, what could grantee they stop hate us once they get a state if their real goal is to destroy us completely.

     

    Netanyahu in the UN about Iran's threats-

     

  16. Posted

    On 1/21/2024 at 10:40 PM, Karmadhi said:

    I am not saying that everything was perfect but I am sure Arabs treated them far better than Europeans did. Just the Holocaust is enough to differentiate the two.

    Now regarding Israel, the issue is I think that Israel would basically force native Palestinian Muslims to live under a Jewish state and they did not want that. Also, most importantly they did not want to give up their land to European Jew settlers. I am curious, why did not the White European Jew settlers live under Palestine and the authorities of Palestine could be a mixed government between Jews and Muslims? Similar to Lebanon which is Christian/Muslim.

    Or they could live as a minority group in Palestine depending on the demographics. White European Jews could come in but the native Palestinians would keep their houses and businesses. It would be similar to Syrians immigrating to Germany these last few years. 

    Why create a totally different state?

     

    I don't think that it was reasonable for European Jews, which were educated and more developed than the Palestinians to be an under a Palestinian goverment.

    Those people came to the conclusion that the best solution is to built a state of their own, in their native land, in which they wouldn't be at the mercy of any nation. Because history proved that living under someone else in control isn't safe.

    They could build a state together with the Palestinians, but they didn't agree on the most basic things and didn't share the same values, so this wasn't possible. Still isn't.

    And thanks God there is an Israeli state with a strong army. Better to lose thostands of people, but having a state and a strong army, rather than loosing millions of people and being in the mercy others, without any protection.

    I think that even if Israel was built in Uganda or elsewhere in the world, someone would have something to say about it or would have tried to fight it.

     

  18. Posted · Edited by Lila9

    I think it's because you expect them to be wiser than you due to their age, and when this expectation isn't met, you feel disappointed, which makes them appear more foolish than younger people.

    In human history, older people are usually considered the ones with wisdom, while young people are deemed foolish and lacking it.

    But I agree that many older people today may appear foolish for their age.

    I believe it's because they grew up in this society and have adopted many negative aspects of stage blue and orange, combined with poor nutrition and habits.

    I believe that a more spiritual path is the answer. I've noticed that older people interested in spirituality are an asset to their surroundings and humanity due to the spiritual wisdom they possess combined with their life experience.

    I listened to Eckhart Tolle yesterday and caught myself thinking that it's refreshing and valuable, in our culture that admires youth and individualism, to listen to someone older and wiser than oneself and not be automatically dismissive of him because he is older. 

     

  19. Posted · Edited by Lila9

    52 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

    @Lila9

       So the ultimate logical conclusion is that you want Palestinians in Gaza, in West bank, to convert to western values and democracy and stop fighting? Also by implication you want Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, Yemen, most of Iran, to just speed up development into western democracy, egalitarianism, and feminism? You ultimately want this American ideology to quickly spread and infest most of the middle east, regardless of cultural lose to those following Islam?

    No, I want it to remain Islam. There is enough Americanization in the world and the Islamic culture has its own beauty which I don't want to go away.

    But I want it to be a more sane and conscious form of Islam in its approach to human rights and Israel, this exists among many Muslims, but not as a collective.

  24. Posted

    55 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    But why do Arabs hate Jews when they lived together for centuries at peace? When they treated Jews far better than Europeans did historically. You can say "there was oppression", and maybe there was but far less than in Europe. When you see how Europeans treated Jews it is insane.

    So it is not true that Arabs or Muslims are inherently anti Jewish. 

    Israel created this hatred, therefore you need to start to think why is that the case? If Arabs were so anti semetic they would have wiped out the Jews a long time ago in Palestine. 

    Why they want to do so now?

    What changed?

    Maybe because the way Jews in Israel acted made them anti Jewish?

    Start thinking about this.

    @Nivsch Same goes to you

    They lived in peace, and they didn't live in peace, depending on the time, the area, and the leadership.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Islam 

    I don't think Israel is entirely responsible for creating this hatred.

    Perhaps the immigration of Jews to Israel and the establishment of the state triggered pre-existing feelings of superiority towards Jews, leading to hatred.

    They were used to the historical fact that Jews were under their control since the dawn of Islam.

    And here, what they see is that an inferior group (to Islam) becomes superior, winning a war, establishing a Jewish state, which triggered feelings of humiliation.

    It certainly hurt Muslim pride and the collective self-image they held, as well as the image they had of Jews in relation to Muslims.

    The most conscientious solution is not to attack Jews or harbor resentment for their expulsion of Arabs to build a state in a Jewish historical homeland for survival.

    Instead, it is essential for them to introspect and recognize that Islam have expelled many nations throughout history, committing actions more brutal than what Jews may have done, acknowledge the dirt caused to people in the name of Islam.

    Acknowledging that Jews also deserve autonomy and one state of their own, while they already have many Muslim states, fostering forgiveness, and moving forward is a path toward understanding, resolution and peace.

  25. Posted

    1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

    Good example of ART being coopted and weaponized by either side:

    This is the full video clip-

    Just to make it clear, there is nothing in this song saying to kill all the Palestinians.

    This is very clear who they are talking about-

    "Everyone who planned, everyone who supported (the massacre), everyone who carried out (the massacre) everyone who murdered."