Lila9
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6 hours ago, Nivsch said:Sorry if I wan't clear but I wrote this sentence about him in humor. But it realy suits him to say that.
Lol, I see 😂
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Hamas excecuted yesterday 3 Palestinians in the the West Bank because they suspected these people were spying for Israel.
The excecution is brutal like in the middle ages, a drama show to the mass, the view of the people with their smartphones to document this as if it's some entertainment makes me sick.
Stage red mentality at its finest.
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-775019
This is why there is no chance for a moderate Palestinian leadership as long as they are under the control of Hamas and terrorists organizations alike, because as soon as there will be a moderate leadership who will be cool with peace with Israel, he would be executed.
Hamas is more than a physical entity, it's a ideology and the majority of the Arab world, including Palestinians, support it.
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12 hours ago, Nivsch said:UN secretary: "an Inappropriate criminal hucking"
He is a total joke 🙄
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I read that a group of Israelies have purchased the domain hamas.com and made it on the surface to appear like a Hamas fans website but actually shows videos of the butchery done by Hamas on October 7.
I don't recommend checking this, I checked this and this is very graphic.
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Hamas released a few hostages in exchange to a ceasefire and releasing prisoners by Israel.
Pro-Palestinians: "Hamas is so humane, see?"
Israel after all the abuse it received by Hamas since 1986 including the October 7 attack:"🙄🤦🏼♀️"
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1 hour ago, Nivsch said:The silent majority shows himself again 🥰
Unfortunately the moderates and the developed ones who doesn't fall into simplistic juicy slogans and twisted on its head manipulative schemes, are less prone to jump into protests, but this is the nature of these things.
But from time to time we see a really non-violent, mature and heartwarming tribute like this.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz6D1nsthVI/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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Palestinians never wanted peace with Israel, since the beginning of Israel's existence, even the most moderate leadership was pro terrorising innocent Israeli people with the purpose to get the entire land.
No matter how much Israel tried to have peace with Palestine, they always rejected it.
This is enough to support Israel. It's not only a democracy, a light in the draknes of the middle east which indifferent to human rights are get violated by husband's towards their wives in the name of the religion, but a country which tried to have peace with its enemy, despite their hatred and antisemitism.
It's sad that many people in the west justify the horrible massacre by Hamas in Israel by the claim that this is because they are occupied.
People don't understabd what Hamas is and what are their goals, they even never bothered to read Hamas charter which openly expressing Muslim superiority and antisemitism.
When I read Hamas charter I was shocked that this actually what the west is protecting and justifying, awarengly, but mostly out of ignorance.
A short summary of Hamas Charter (from Wikipedia):
QuoteThe original, 1988 version of the charter emphasize four main themes:
Destroying Israel and establishing an Islamic theocracy in Palestine is essential;
Unrestrained jihad is necessary to achieve this;
Negotiated resolutions of Jewish and Palestinian claims to the land are unacceptable;
Historical anti-semitic tropes that reinforce the goals.
The Covenant proclaims that Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it, and jihad against Jews is required until Judgement Day. Compromise over the land is forbidden. The documents promote holy war as divinely ordained, reject political solutions, and call for instilling these views in children.
Quotes from the charter translated from Arabic to English:
Goals of Hamas-
QuoteThe Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine. (Article 6)
On the destruction of Israel-
QuoteIsrael will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it. (Preamble)
The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area:
QuoteThe land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it. (Article 11)
Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be.' (Article 13)
The Call to Jihad:
QuoteThe day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. (Article 15)
Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about. (Article 33)
Rejection of a Negotiated Peace Settlement:
Quote[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. (Article 13)
Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:
QuoteEgypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle. ...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act. (Article 32)
Anti-Semitic Incitement:
QuoteThe Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him. (Article 7)
'The enemies have been scheming for a long time ... and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media... With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe... They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about... With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests... They stood behind World War I ... and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains... There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it.' (Article 22)
Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'.' (Article 32) 'The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.' (Article 32)
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter?wprov=sfla1
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
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If you look at the big picture, it's a war between Western and non Western values.
Democracy vs Dictatorship mentality.
North Korea, Iran and Qatar financing Hamas. Syria, China, Russia also support Hamas and Palestine. Why? Because they share the same values and they all have a common enemy which is US, Europe, the West and Western values.
It's a war between Western values such as liberalism, democracy, human rights and between conservatism, dictatorship, violence and human rights violation.
Why would America support Palestine and Hamas if it's supported by countries who hate America and want to eliminate it?
Kim Jong Un said himself openly that North Korea would like to eliminate US.
He is very passionate about it. I don't know if he is really capable of it alone that's another question.
Also, Israel is the only America's ally in the middle east, which is beneficial strategically to US because Israel serves as proxy if required.
This is why no US president with minimal brain will ever cease to support Israel. Even Trump supported Israel.
Countries with certain values naturally incline to support countries who share the same values.
The issue with Western liberals is that they don't see the big picture and easily fall to stupid compassion and manipulation by Hamas who knows how to market themselves and use the western nativity to gain support in order to promote their radical Islamic, anti-american, anti western, antisemitic, homophobic and myogenic ideology.
They literally believe to everything Hamas says because they assume that Hamas is just like themselves.
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3 hours ago, Karmadhi said:I compare the Arabs in West Bank and Gaza. I compare it when a kid gets shot because he threw stones at a tank. I compare it with kids in West Bank spending their night in cages outside in cold temperatures and getting months in Israeli prisons without a proper trial. I compare it with people in Gaza that do not have any rights to leave or get in unless Israel wants them to. I compare it with Palestinian people having their skin and organs harvested by Israel authorities without their consent when they are dead.
If there is such a torture, why the population not decreasing but only growing with the years? Why there is no normal education to be a civilizied human being instead of being radical antisemitic Islamist depsite all the money poured to there?
Gaza isn't occupied by Israel for 20 years why it's still stuck regardless the enomourous financial support it receives from the world and Israel?
Why Palestinians resist the two state solution, peace with Israel?
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14 hours ago, Nivsch said:@Lila9 But they will keep saying "occupation" every 3 hours just because their agenda is anti Israel to begin with no matter what, exactly at the same way they choose to focus only on Gaza's children when they forget that up until now those children have been captives of a cult and now they get a chance to heal, but on that, of course, they won't talk.
Luckily Israel's existence doesn't depend on people who don't even know where Israel is on the map or discovered this only a month ago 😊
If Israel's existence was dependent on their opinions, shallow understanding and empty definitions like 'occupation', Israel would've existed.
There is Israel, and there will be Israel despite their evil wishes, they can be angry and sad as much as they want. It's their luck that they live in safety and no one is threatening their lives and people don't blame them while they are trying to defend themselves. I wish they had the wisdom to appreciate it.
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2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:@Vrubel The death toll says otherwise. The UN says otherwise. Why would I trust governments which are biased instead of unbiased entitles and numbers?
UN is biased AF against Israel.
If you think UN is objective this is hilarious.
It fails to condomn Hamas crimes which are a real threat for humanity.
And it's not only me who's thinking that, a person who grew up with Hamas and was one of them says it in his speech to UN.
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7 hours ago, zazen said:So when the Zulus resisted the British or the Kenyans or the Vietnamese against the Americans which all ended up in them leaving - that was all because they were racist? If a burglar comes to my house and i defend myself against them its probably only because I'm racist? Frivolous use of the anti-semite word has cheapened it. We can't blame everything on it just like Muslims can't use the Islamophobia label to shut down criticism.
Criticism is always necessary.
However, when it comes in a disproportionate amount with questioning the right of Jews to exist in Israel, despite their strong history and connection to this place, despite being explled from dozens of countries due to irrational antisemitism, despite Muslim Arabs have so many countries, disproportionate blaming on Israel without condomning savages more dangerous than Nazis like Hamas, it's very clear that it's antisemitism.
Any attempt to deny antisemitism and say that there is no antisemitism involved in this conflict, is gaslighting.
7 hours ago, zazen said:Jews lived peacefully over all under the muslims, the Jews were protected and fled to the muslims when they were being prosecuted in Christian Europe which ended in the climax that is the holocaust.
What has Israel done with its power and muslims living under the Jews? They've allowed settlers to encroach their lands in the West Bank and displace them further.
Jews also were expelled by Muslims in the Muslim countries, after they escaped to Muslim countries from Europe so painting an image that Muslims are more tolerant towards Jews would be a joke. There are barely any Jews in Muslim countries.
This is why having Israel is so important for Jews. History proved no place is safe for Jews.
Even in Israel they prescued by radical antisemitic entities like Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas but at least they have army to defend themselves.
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7 hours ago, Karmadhi said:They also interviewed Jews in concentration camps saying "we are ok here", as propaganda movies. PragerU is pure horshit blue propaganda.
I would not take it seriously.
Also, is this about West Bank or Gaza? Because that is where the horrible things happen.
They are poor because of Israel, so of course Israel is more desirable. When you become rich at expense of others, that is blood money.
Lol, you compare Arabs in Israel to Jews in a concentration camp. This is so disconnected from reality and doesn't respect holocaust survivors who actually were in concentration camps nor Arabs in Israel who live decently, with religious freedom and better than most Arabs in the world.
Additionally, it's more difficult for Arabs in Israel to admit how good their lives in Israel are since Arabs in the world and even radicals in their community can see this as betrayal. This is your problem that you don't take it seriously, only because you believe in some delusional reality of Arabs in Israel due to your bias and demonization of Israel without spending one day in Israel, doesn't mean it's the truth.
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20 minutes ago, zazen said:Because the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank do have a problem with Israel governing / occupying them.
They have problem with Hamas and their leadership as well. If someone is occupying them is their leaders.
20 minutes ago, zazen said:For so much talk about logic a lot of people can't seem to see cause and affect and establish a chain of events that lead to October the 7th or how Israels current actions will logically recruit more member for Hamas as Elon Musk rightly pointed out
The main reason for 7 October attack or any attack on Israel, by Hamas Hezbollah, Iran or whatever country in the ME is antisemitism.
It's stated in Hamas doctrine that their goal is to eliminate Jews. Not only Israel, not Zionists, but Jews. Like Hitler.
When someone hate Jews because they are Jews, which is irrational by itself, it cannot be understood rationally. The cause and effect rule doesn't apply in this case.
They attack Jews because they hate them and want to eliminate them. That's it.
20 minutes ago, zazen said:You think Israelis are developed because they believe in evolution and the idea that we are a family with monkeys - yet a lot of Israeli's don't see Palestinians as their own family and cousins to the point they propagandize their kids into genocidal language towards them like below:
It's not even close to the hatred Palestinian children are raised towards Jews. It's literally integrated in their school program.
20 minutes ago, zazen said:Does that seem logical, evolved and developed?
They are humans, developed doesn't mean perfect.
20 minutes ago, zazen said:You misunderstood as you did the other points. If a country or people are developed does that give them the right to rule other countries or people who aren't developed?
It's better to live in a developed country rather than in not so developed. It's better and safer for Muslims to live under a Jewish leadership rather than for Jews under a Muslim leadership.
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39 minutes ago, zazen said:Israel never wanted or believed in a two state solution. This is in their charter. They won't compromise on West Bank or Gaza and will keep occupying, encroaching and suffocating the Palestinians till they expel themselves or wither away from poor living conditions. Israel denies them their past, makes their present dire, and kills any future hope for them.
This is not true, you selectively choose people in Israel who expressed it, some PM of Israel 70 years ago and some radical settler but history proves Israel doesn't care about having two states as long as it promises peace.
Israel gave up on Sinai for peace with Egypt and Israel gave up on Gaza for peace with Palestine.
Is that work? No, instead of investing in Gaza and WB and building a beautiful state of Palestinian, they invested in weapon against Israel.
Israel doesn't remove the Al-Aqsa mosque and rebuild the Jewish temple there was prior to the mosque, only because it values peace with the Arab world.
Even though this place considered the holliest place for Jews and only the 3rd holiest place for Islam.
Prior to attack, Israel tried to form Peace with Saudia.
Israel is the most peaceful state in the ME region.
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39 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:The Gulf countries have none of the things you wrote above yet many people from all over the world live there and they rarely immigrate.
How come?
Young people usually immigrate to US or Europe for education purposes.
And the rest... why would they immegrate? Most of them are Muslims who love their culture, their country and living around Muslims, they are not fond of the west and western values, especially the older generations. They would tolerate curropted leadership and less human rights and democracy rather than starting everything in a new country and living as a foreigner in a new country with secularism, LGBTQ and feminism, women with short pants and transgenders which doesn't suit their values.
16 minutes ago, zazen said:So that gives another group of people the right to govern and rule them? Sounds colonial to me.
If they have no problem with Israel governing them, why you should have a problem?
18 minutes ago, zazen said:it is possible to be a stage green terrorist. You can have stage green values, talking points and hold those positions yet have a stage red heart, state of being and disposition.
So Hamas is stage green? Gotcha.
Now seriously, for the Arab world to evolve to green they should first integrate orange, you know, science, accepting the evulotion theory, logic, human rights and individual freedom over religion. But they are still very deep into Islam and dismissive of evolution, the idea that we are family with monkeys is probably triggering for the majority of them.
23 minutes ago, zazen said:Maybe the whole Arab world should just give up to Israel as the supreme rulers because their so 'developed'.
Israel is really developed in comparison to the Arab world. And if the Arab world should give up on Israel it's not necessarily because Israel is more developed but more because Muslim Arabs have so much territory.
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52 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:The Palestinian authority never wanted or believed in two state solution. This is their core value in their doctrine, they wouldn't compromise on less than 100%. That is why they will never be satisfied with Gaza and the WB alone and will keep doing attacks on Israel until they get 100% of the land.
There is a change of two states if there will be a paradigm shift in the Palestinian consciousness, to accept the right of Jews to have a Jewish country in the Jewish historical land and stop fighting and trying to kill Jews.
Then it will be possible to negotiate some peaceful solution.
Otherwise it would be suicidal of Israel to negotiate such thing with someone that antisemitic.
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49 minutes ago, zazen said:Of course they would rather live in Israel than the Palestinian areas because those areas are blockaded and occupied to the point of terrible living conditions.
Most Arabs countries are suck for living due to lack in democracy, development, liberalism and human rights.
It's not unique to Palestinians in Gaza or WB which means it's not Israel to blame.
People who really know how Arabs live in the middle east claim that Palestinians in Gaza and WB have life quality similar to most Arabs in Arab countries, and even better.
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3 hours ago, Nivsch said:@Karmadhi Again, the radicalization as we see from hamas was here even before 48'. Can you give examples that disturb you the most about how bad Israel treat the palestinians in your opinion?
BTW if France were surrounded by huge 6 enemy countries treaten to kill all of its citizens and one of them would let France only a narrow corridor between its border and the sea of 30km length, wouldn't france also keep those countries guarded by it, even grossly and maybe not always in nice ways, especially this country mentioned?
That's one of the reasons why the term "occupation" in relation to Israel is absurd.
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Many people who have never been in Israel and don't know where Israel is even located on the map, say: "Israel is an apartheid state."
Arabs in Israel:
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4 hours ago, Nivsch said:B e a u t i f u l .
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23 minutes ago, zazen said:Part of spiral dynamics growth is integrating lower stages in a healthy manner - not to dismiss lower stage truths of reality and frame fact as purely mythic fiction to be tossed to the bin.
We can critique other societies that practice tyrannical forms of patriarchy but dismissing patriarchy completely can prove to be an error.
People who have an allergic reaction to religion and tradition as archaic backward domains because their stage green liberal can often overlook the very freedom and value they provide.
Present society liberals deconstruct the construct they feel failed them - modernity. People feel disillusioned and will either drop all constructs for anarchic post modernism or revert back to tradition in a regressive way for some semblance of order and as a shortcut to thinking due to the over thinking moral relativism brings about. Exhaustion.
Part of integrating the past stages is to see the value in them. The following is interesting in showing some value healthy patriarchy can provide women:
“The absence of patriarchal protection is more barbaric than its presence as it allows immoral, dangerous and unviable long-term prospects to plunder women at the peak of their beauty and fertility, sometimes even monetising them.
In matters of women you have to ask yourself: does this practice make it easier or harder for sociopaths to access and exploit them? It's a net good if it makes it harder, and a net evil if it makes easier - even if that comes at the price of some of the woman's freedom.
Feminism maximises female liberty thereby minimising her security - it's much harder to take advantage of women, sexually use them and monetise them in a patriarchal conservative society where daughters have less autonomy but are more protected, than in one where fathers are stripped of all authority and the woman makes her own choices. If the feminist experiment has taught us anything, it's that women being more emotionally inclined fall prey to the predatory few amongst men.
The major recurring theme of clown world, as is true of all spiritual battles between good and evil, is that of inversion. Just as a demon would turn the holy cross upside down to mock the trinity, these unholy ideologies reframe protectiveness as oppressiveness in the battle to reframe vice as virtue and virtue as vice, because if all forms of control can be destroyed - even those which are benevolent and protective and act as a check and balance on destructive behaviour, then chaos can reign, and when chaos reigns civilization comes undone.”
The thing is that patriarchy is based on society not being safe for women, of men not being safe for women, and in a society that isn't safe for women, women should be protected by men from other men. They must be dependent on men and be at their mercy to be saved from other men. Also, if something bad happens to a women by a man, it doesn't grantee that she will be saved and justice will be made and the agressor will pay the price. In patriarchal society, mostly women are those who pay the price of men hurting them, for example, if a man rapes a woman, she usually would be the one to blame.
But when society is safe for women, and men are safe for women, there is no need for this unhealthy dependence on men for survival which also limits the woman's personal and spiritual growth.
In fact, the fact that men as a collective relatively safe for women and women are given rights and the protection from the law, it's the ultimate protection, thus, patriarchal society in particular isn't required.
When a woman isn't dependent on a man for basic survival, she has the power to choose a man she wants and not the one she needs, the choice is made by a free will and not because of necessity, which opens the possibilty of higher and more authentic form of love.
However, there is a need for compassionate yet strong form of masculinity in the society, healthy masculinity. Not compassionate but weak and not strong but lack in compassion. There is a need for a healthy balance between the masculine and the feminine, a society which honors both.
This is not to demonize patriarchy as it is a step in the human collective evolutionary development, a step we are stepping on altogether. But it's not and shouldn't be the ultimate goal.
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7 hours ago, Nivsch said:Yes he seems to me like the best option for the election that probably will come after the war I think I will vote to him.
Even when the two camps (liberal vs pro yariv levin's plan to reform the court) were fighting each other to hell, Gantz although was very liberal and anti the reform, still tried all the time to promote a communication with all the sides and thats why I think he is green but also slightly above.
Interesting, thank you.
7 hours ago, Nivsch said:After october 7th everything has changed and this internal fighting is an history. Our society has changed forever and I hope that to the better.
Hopefully 🙏
2 hours ago, Yimpa said:We tend to ignore or deny when our mind and body is in a constant alert state. By doing so, we severely limit our capacity towards holistic understanding and clarity. Our communication also becomes predominantly judgmental and biased.
Now imagine that almost everyone is doing this. This should give you an idea of why these issues never get resolved at a deep, fundamental level.
Constantly being in survival mode will not solve complex problem in the long-term, rather, it keeps us stuck in that cycle.
I agree, our understanding tends to be limited to our survival bias and it's not enough to resolve complex issues.
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In short, Islam Sharia is superior, America is the ultimate devil, Israel belongs to Palestinians and not to Jews, Muslim countries are innocent victims and more crap.
There is hype around this letter in America now🤦🏼♀️
Did they forget the 9/11 tragedy and what Islamic terrorists are capable of?