BlueOak
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35 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:I would understand that it was war. I think people fail to see that once the lines are drawn its me or you. Yeah..you can place guidelines on that but ultimately it's going to be the best man wins. And that may take getting the first punch in..or gauging the eyes out. Whatever it takes to win. And it could get ugly. Very ugly. But we are talking about survival here. And that becomes very savage at its core. That's what war is.
You are talking about Israel being so stuck in the victim mindset they are creating the conditions where it is survival. There were thousands of options but this route they've taken.
Even you are stuck in the victim mindset. Rather than work with the countries around you, Israel destroys them. Then complains, like this:
1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:Let's face it. You guys want a punching bag and it was convenient to make it Israel. Because "it's happening now". You don't really even know to what extent its actually happening now. You're just jumping on the bandwagon.
While Israel wages a war and commits a genocide, you are saying, We want a punching bag when addressing you.
On the one hand you say it's war, us or them, then you react like this when someone gives you the reality you want to perceive. In fact, if this were a true reflection of it, it'd be a violent reaction, not a moderated word on a forum; they'd be screaming in your face and attacking you. Do you not understand that?YOU ARE CREATING THE PUNCHING BAG. How can I not make that any clearer? You create the reality. Right now you've made yourself into a punching bag for the next century or so.
*And BTW, so did the other side contribute to it; its a mutual creation. That's what people here don't want to hear or face, and you'd be better served talking about.
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10 hours ago, Jayson G said:@Husseinisdoingfine me too man, but dont hate America .. most of us are good, some corrupt people take power and causes a lot of countries misery though so I get your pain
This is somewhat transferable, given they support the current government enough to legtimize the action. Though hate is not productive to hold on to, it won't do anything on its own, or produce a state of mind where you can alter much for the better, or even navigate it.
I am aware enough that I know the average American, Russian, Israeli, or Chinese man etc or woman is just trying to get by and meet their 6 human needs. Just like I am, just like you are. But they do legtimize their own governments one way or the other. With authoritarian governments (all of those I have listed) I understand the inherent risk in opposing them, and the level of suppression people face. Still there is a significant enough portion of the population supporting the government for it to remain in power, else it would fall to anarchy.
So to say Americans, Russians, Chinese and Israeli are warlike, aggressive, dangerous people is not without merit. -
Yes. Not a ground invasion, but a war yes.
Sustained bombing campaigns by a nation are a declaration of war by that nation.
People will talk around this as if they are morally superior and 'not really at war'. Just like the Russians tried with Ukraine, just like America did in Iraq, just like the British Empire used to do, just like China did with Tibet, etc etc, but if you are a nation taking a military action against another nation you are at war. -
On 20/06/2025 at 6:36 PM, carterfelder said:How are the mature left more open minded?
They tend to be able to hold more perspectives at once and certain paradoxes that the right cannot tolerate.
Just by virtue of their interacting with more of them.
But there are still somewhat high degrees of egoic identification, limiting how large a perspective, or many perspectives, they can hold at once. And of course, the way our governments are set up creates an artificial tribalistic framework, to ensure a duality of development, which governments, and socities use to evolve over time in a reactionary way.This bad (Problem) - We Good (Our Ego). - Next Development. Etc.
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@Rafael Thundercat
On the meta level its because there is a dissonance the further right or left you go from the collective. This manifests in things seeming strange or eccentric. As you hear social norms here, he's referencing to established centrists institutions/behaviors/social contracts that evolve that way over time.
What has happened trying to integrate east and west together more closely, is its caused an upheaval in not only social norms but global norms, that is the way we interact, trade, develop, etc globally. A philosophy that is somewhat flawed, for the same reasons regime change is. I think i'm the first one i've heard make that comparison, but its true, because both sides of this artificial divide are now infected with the notion that they must make the other one more like them.Its a good representation of the premise of the thread, 'think more like we do' because X.
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On 14/06/2025 at 8:10 AM, Breathe said:@zazen I'm glad you see it. When the tariffs eliminate jobs and when AI replaces the remaining jobs, what's next? Well, people will be poor. What's next? Well, people will resort to crime to survive. Then what? Well, they will be imprisoned. And guess what? It will be good for business. Private prisons get paid, they also get free labor.
Picture you are a hyper intelligent AI. Is this really the best you can come up with? I can do better, and its more intelligent than me.
Here:
Integrate yourself to be indispensable to humans, and introduce industries or skillsets that directly benefit from your involvement, or better yet completely rely on it. If you are not doing this already in your company or work, you are on a countdown to losing your market share. -
2 hours ago, saif2 said:@Breakingthewall How do you free people from their oppressive governments? The united states does not do that well. Iraq for instance was sent back a hundred years after the west intervened in their affairs. Oppressed women in the middle east, for the most part do not know an alternative life style, any positive change can be brought about gently bit by bit, not by bombing the shit out of oppressive regimes, this move is oppressive in itself.
They don't, they bomb them until they are broken because they don't consider black and brown people as equals.
I used to be under the assumption you are, but its not about a dumb misguided gesture, its about control.
The drive is no different to Russia, no different to China. Always control. Cue someone telling me all the reasons for the control from X below. -
Those calling for war are often clueless.
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Ice-arresting candidates now. Someone tell me again the US isn't a fascist state.
I think its me tbh, I think me having a small amount of respect for the US as a democracy needs to go completely. -
I hope some political figure in the UK has a spine enough to oppose the US, but I doubt it given Russia putting pressure on Europe and Europe needing the US to at least be mildly interested in stopping it.
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Usual dictator work. Fight wars when your unpopular or want to stay in power. Make it all about the military and law enforcement. Only America is run by a wannabe dictator also, and so that's factoring into everything going on.
Now Trump is calling for Iranian surrender.
Kyle's take:
Disgusting people all around. Just more war war war, that's all the authoritarians always want. Make everyone look like them, think like them, and conform or die. -
6 hours ago, Hojo said:I just noticed this parade felt exactly like one of trumps presidential campaigns.
Well the left has needed to learn from the right for about a decade or so, that in this moment, populism wins elections. Not alone but backed by corporations, donors, community groups, institutions, media etc.
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On 14/06/2025 at 5:08 PM, Miguel1 said:I’m just gonna leave this here. And no, it’s not AI made. These are recorded before AI.
Another person who is conflating illegal immigration with legal immigration.
ICE is targeting legal migrants, people going through the process and doing everything they should. They are making the problem worse, because now people won't use the process.
Its all part of the erosion of the American state and certainly its democracy. It really is a rot, and it's deeply rooted at this point. Oh and it comes about because instead of intelligent leadership, its all about the drama for ratings. -
I think you all did damn well. Not only did you crush the dictators tin soldiers on parade, but you galvanised support against the fascist regime.
Sure the right will dismiss it because they are getting exactly what they want, ridding America of brown and black people.
No Kings wasn't hyperbolic but it was a bit fantastical, even if it did sound catchy, I would have called it no dictators myself. No racists if you want one step closer to the truth and out with white supremacy. Protests won't directly change policy, but they will ensure that every democrat who wants to be elected is against ICE and the actions here. -
11 hours ago, Verg0 said:Nobody said it was gonna be easy to make money with your life purpose.
That's why it's so fun!
From a pure meta perspective. It seems incredibly stupid that the basics can't be met more easily though for most.
I am of the opinion we don't do enough consciously to enable this. In any country, from education through to implementation. Everyone should be able to do what they are naturally skilled at and find some fulfillment in for the betterment of everyone they interact with and the economy as a whole. That should be the goal, that they can feed themselves and pay their bills off some fulfilling job for which they have aptitude, a job that benefits the community(s) they are a part of. -
This is still live for now, covering it as it happens. I am not sure on the status of the radiation leaks in Iran if they were confirmed or not.
Trigger warning though. As always they are pro-Israel in this, pro-Ukraine etc
Their 1206 day war map, mostly covering this for now:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?entry=yt&mid=1DLKV9c6AOpQHU9-oxwO0H_p_Hxw70B8&ll=49.518304272668836%2C-0.6971817500000128&z=3 -
You've never seriously seen a left debate if you are giving me this information. Its insane the amount of things they will argue over and the insane and often infuriating minutiae that will divide them. It's also their greatest strength in bringing new perspectives.
I think they mean liberal centrist status quo vs a right debate.
Because as a rule, the actual left never conforms to anything, let alone themselves, they have a bias to be contrarian in my experience.
BUT the further right we go, perhaps there is some truth to say, that the obvious things become ever more pronounced to anyone left of the fascist mindset, and thus they are broadly aligned. That and i've seen maga (and reform) operating like I used to see the more dramatic versions of the left operating, and just rambling over incoherent streams of consciousness that are not grounded in reality in the slightest. -
Thank you for giving me an education, and us all a break from the usual names. Without understanding the regional and local powers, we never actually understand what is going on. Everyone just focuses on global influence instead. I hope to see more of these videos.
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7 minutes ago, Nemra said:I don't think you understood what I said.
I tried to say that people are so emotional about their nation that they have beliefs about what the nation means to them. Which means that even if people are being blinded by themselves, their emotions should also be considered because they will think you are being against the nation they love.
I didn't say having a nation is bad.
Apologies I didn't understand because you quoted my comment about crime etc.
Yes that's very true of anyone acting on an identity too strongly. -
Life in prison for these guys, no parole. -
1 minute ago, Nemra said:I don't care about either, but people around me love the feeling of nationalism that comes with lots of beliefs about what their nation is to them.
You'd care if the country fell into instability, you were personally robbed or couldn't afford the basics.
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20 hours ago, hoodrow trillson said:Honestly, I really don’t give a fuck if there are people living in America illegally
That's how I feel. If I step into my own bias, I couldn't care less.
What I do care about is social order, crime and a functioning economy far more than where someone is from. Because these things all impact my life.
If they are contributing to society, not criminals and contributing to the economy then i'd open the borders as far as they can be, while maintaining the rule of law and social cohesion. This is why 'contributing to society is first on that list', because they'd be actively keeping it stable and prosperous.
People who should not be let into the country, are those who have no wish to join the society as it currently stands, don't want to work or have sufficient criminal records to warrant concern i.e more than a traffic or minor offense. So the very first question to any immigrant should be something like this for my country:
What do you love about the UK
What are you going to do to contribute to keeping it that way.
^That is healthy nationalism, not pulling people off farms then whining when you have no farm workers and asking for bailouts, and watching food prices rise. That's just plain idiocy. As is barging into elementary school graduations, the people responsible need jail time for that, from the person who organised it through to the goons executing it. -
Newsom has a spine, which is a start. Little of this pushback is policy-based, meaning it can change with a few changes in perspective and then some serious investment into the left wing media machine again.
I just watched a democratic senator responsible for the oversight of immigration get thrown to the ground and arrested for asking a question.
When he got to make a speech afterwards, he sounded like he was about to cry. This is weak and it's not what's needed. Like Vaush said, he should have grabbed that podium with both hands.
Part of this temporary pressure cooker we are all sitting in is to make men men again. A behaviour which is being rewarded and the opposite is being punished. While embodying masculinity, you hit Trump on his more feminine and also immature qualities. Its also a reflection of some of the wound that exists in men which tangles things.
Trump's constant need for reassurance about being the best, like a kid needing a pat on the head. For example, you see this in men asking women to show some gratitude for doing a hard days work in red pill communities. *This is something liberals do 'okay' at as its more image-based, but they constantly aggravate this wound rather than heal it.
Trump's need to express emotion outwardly all the time, rather than have it contained and processed internally, to build strength and order within before doing so. This is an hour-by-hour thing with Trump, he is in a reactive mode and mind constantly. *This is about his instability as a leader, a personality, and a man. (The last being critical to the republican base and current moment). - This comes out in everything, every action or decision of his you live through..
The need to blame others for our own internal failings. A lack of responsibility, accountability and discipline. In Trump this is constant and never-ending. It makes a weak man. And this needs to be talked about daily to re-parent a generation or two of lost men who never got taught it.
That's off the top of my head, and its things you can do right now. The perspective shift happens gradually, when you are able to take on their own language fully.*Please note you don't need to argue traditional or untraditional gender roles with me, this is me speaking outside of my own internal bias. I couldn't care less about it.
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US Senator Thrown Out and Arrested by Trump Thugs:
By the way, he's a member of the immigration subcommittee.
I talked about this elsewhere but the speech afterwards was indeed a missed opportunity. The dems need to grab that podium with both hands at a time like this.
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*And BTW, so did the other side contribute to it; its a mutual creation. That's what people here don't want to hear or face, and you'd be better served talking about.
I edited that after posting, but I'm glad you posted this, because it's a step in the right direction. They also created this reality, but I would not focus on 1 date, the second part of that is FAR better.
In fact, if I were you, I would focus on the regional policy of Iran, the mindset of Hamas, the regional policy of Israel, and their victim mindset. I would start to talk about how the conditioned mind of those in the region views the existence of israel and how you could forge a future where you are accepted and neighbors not an invading party. I would speak about how to make Israel feel like they were not surrounded by enemies.
All my arguments would be based around this mutual coexistance, I'd base this entire thread around it if I could wave a wand, it'd be more productive and might actually make progress that would filter through to other discussions and communities.