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Is this reliance on such primitive concepts as science and technology a useful or hindering proclivity relative to such endeavours? That isn't to say that these can't be of use, they can, but so can a stone wheel cart.

@BipolarGrowth How much control over what you're permitted to do with the class do you have? You could make it a ganja yoga class, or you could do what I'd do. A class that I'd teach would mostly focus on the use of mantras, because I have the most personal experience with that of all yogic/tantric implements. Though I wouldn't want to teach an hour-long class, that's nowhere near enough time if you ask me. Minimum 5 hours, though something like 8-12 hours long would be best.

The subconscious realms increase in power the closer we get to the unconscious from the ordinary conscious mind. The conscious mind in humans, in it's ordinary state of operation has difficulty influencing the levels below it because it's less powerful and objectively less conscious than the "lower" levels of mind. So the conscious mind in humans usually can't operate like the unconscious, as if there were some kind of jamming frequency present, disconnecting the ego mind from the power of the different levels of the human mind, both above and below ordinary human awareness. Just to clarify, when I say power I actually mean omnipotence. Where all states of mind are all-powerful(reality brings form to their thoughts, feelings, desires, and imaginings, for instance, you can be on the moon by thinking you're on the Moon though you were previously on Mars given you're powerful enough), but some more than others. So the normal ego mind is less omnipotent than the subconscious, which is less omnipotent than the unconscious, which is the level from which all possible and impossible realities arise.

You think the universe you're living in is any different from this hypothetical other reality?

This is true. Naturally, intellectuals are too smart to comprehend the impossible, and therefore they cannot possibly hope to understand the universe as it really is. @Razard86 As to the name of this thread, I feel that it's strange you'd want to rid yourself of ego, as that's essentially your ego saying you don't want any ego.

For myself personally, this is technically an ongoing process, I'm yet to get anyway near the full potential of lucidity within the waking dream. But what I can say from a combination of 3rd and 1st person experiences I've had of awakening, you usually go back to something incredibly similar to your old baseline state of consciousness/limitations/experience after your awakening(in the waking dream) experience. And in that state, you're mostly like a normal human, but intellectually know things no normal human does from memory of higher experiences of God-consciousness. This is mostly what's happened to Leo, though as I've implied these experiences do have at least a minor impact on your baseline. Something that should be noted, is that awakening whilst in the waking dream is something very different from waking up from the waking dream. What Leo myself, and many others have done is wake up from the dream, then return to it afterward. Awakening whilst still in the dream is perceived as being much more difficult because in order to dream the dream, you have to be self-fooled sufficiently enough so as to buy into the dream and not simply discard it out of disinterest. It is possible to be awake within the dream and remain within it, but you need either incredibly high sweetness of emotion or attachments and pleasures within the dream so stupidly strong that knowing on all levels that it's a sham doesn't stop you from wanting it anyway. To attempt to put it into sexual terms, imagine feeling sexual lust so strong that your old self on 100 pills of Cialis would pail in comparison to the sheer intensity of the kind of pleasure I'm referencing. When obviously, assuming you could live on that high of a dose, you'd be so horny when encountering the object of your desire that you'd become totally mesmerized as if under a powerful spell.

@onacloudynight In your current state of consciousness, you don't have the power to do that. Well, you could do it, but not without excessively ludicrous levels of persistence and faith. It's probably easier to just not think about them, and instead think about something/someone else you enjoy.

This is somewhat tangent to what you've said, but sexual energy has long been used to bring about altered states of consciousness and to channel vital forces by occultists.

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.cgi?S1=2 Search for MDMA using ctrl+f and read, that should answer your question. @Yeah Yeah

@Someone here No one controls what you love other than you, and what you love you think you love. And what you think you love, you love. Also, perseverance is among the greatest of all moving forces, it overcomes most everything, even nature itself.

I believe he said that mostly for himself/people on a similar level of development or in other words the few who get it. Leo is of course aware that such a statement is likely to turn off most people, but then again spirituality is probably too alien and intense for most people anyway, as there's this seditious incorrigibility to the human race. Combine that with the essentially quasi-schizophrenic fear-based prison in which humans live, and it's no wonder why they love their dogmas and conventional views so much.

Perhaps the most interesting part about my communication style is its great diversity or at least biphasic nature. One moment, I'll be speaking plainly and cussing my ass off like a sailor. And the next I'll be utilizing a verbose, and elegant repertoire in selcouth elegance, straight-laced like an American version of the Queen's English. On a side note, spell correct thinks I'm trying to say outhouse because it isn't familiar with the term selcouth lol.

All communication is inherently manipulative because all manipulation boils down to is ultimately influence. Any moralizing is horrendously subjective because any model of morality we conceive of is just as valid as any alternative. As such, it's perhaps wrong or foolish to demonize manipulation or manipulators, because we are all manipulators ourselves. Manipulation ultimately exists for the same reason that everything else does. Because objectively speaking, it is very good. Without manipulation, orgasms wouldn't be possible or even thinkable, currency based or indeed any form of economics would be impossible, hell even basic human interaction wouldn't be possible. A world without manipulation is a world you don't want to live in.

Lol, people eat that? It looks like pieces of tree bark almost. No wonder why they throw away that part of it.

I like how shortly after this statement all the acrimonious debate terminates.

Psychedelics literally are alien substances. I assume you're certain these Jedi Mind Fuck shrooms are legitimately Psilocybe Cubensis(if I got the species right)? It's obviously improbable that you went picking them in the forest otherwise you'd probably be telling us a rather different story, or you might even be dead. More likely you bought either spores and grew them, or you bought the end product itself from a vendor you trust. At any rate, as far as I know, there isn't any experimental evidence to support the notion that acidic environments break Psilocybin into Psilocin. So the whole hypothesis behind the lemon tek method is potentially bogus. Though I suspect the people who do it experience some actual benefit anyway, especially when you consider how psychedelics tend to empower the mind. However, the addition of ginger is useful because ginger is known to combat nausea/motion sickness, with which some people struggle when doing mushrooms. As for the advice to throw out the flesh, I have no idea where that's coming from. The chemical constituency of specific parts of hallucinogenic mushrooms doesn't appear to be of significance, or at least I'm not aware of any literature that even bothers to mention it. However, based on what I'm reading from end users, the body may contain too many non-hallucinogenic carbohydrates and such that would be difficult to digest for some people. My advice though? Get yourself some 4 ACO DMT. It'll mind fuck you much better than any psilocybin-bearing mushroom. I'll post a link to a trip report of it, though keep in mind the man did 100mg, which is the equivalent of like 7 hits of acid or so. Nonetheless, it's a wonderful example of what this chemical can do. https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=101131

It's profound as fuck anything can become anything when you realize that nothing actually exists.

@Razard86 Who doesn't love to play with themself? Catholic nuns? Well.... in my experience they do lol.

Of course, the profundity of this will be lost on many due to the constraints of conventional morality. What's profound is that because I am everything, I can be absolutely anything, therefore I am whatever I permit myself to become. Which is the same as saying that because I am nothing, I can be anything because there's nothing like me to impose limits upon me.

I agree, if you were truly enlightened, you could take weapons of mass destruction to your dick without breaking your meditation. But not like those ones we said were in Iraq, the real McCoy. Like the ones we dropped on Beijing, uh I mean *George W Bush sounds* Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

No, they're the same perspective. You and I are one and the same thing, as such there is no one here besides you, as this also applies to absolutely everything else which is perceived to be separate from you, not just me. This is some silly nonsense, if you want to embrace selfishness that's great and all. But subjecting yourself to misery just for shits and giggles is far from wise.

In my own experience, the concept of awakening points to God-realization and not much else. Enlightenment, however, seems to be a very general relativistic notion. Derived from the Latin word Illuminatus(meaning the one who has the light, light being a metaphor for knowledge), it basically means that you know what the ignorant masses don't know. And are therefore considered to be wiser than they, because they live in the dark. So we could say for example that atheists are in a sense more enlightened than traditional religionists because they don't believe in all the fairy tale nonsense of such organizations. We could also say, that Leo is more enlightened than an atheist because he doesn't believe in the myths that they do(eg human consciousness originating in a physical brain, dreams being unreal etc). So you see, you're only "enlightened" in comparison to others who are not. Whereas with awakening, well you wake up and "others" don't really exist anymore. So they're two very different concepts as far as I can tell. Though you might say that one who is awake is also enlightened because others are not awake.

Just speaking from some reports I've read, it's true that at least some humans trip harder and with less difficulty, if they fast prior to consumption.

Reality has whatever meaning you choose to assign it. It can be heaven or hell, beautiful or ugly, wet or dry, hot or cold, big or small, far or close, male or female, human or crocodile. Whatever you like really.

What psychedelic was this? Awareness in deep sleep is somewhat common in proficient lucid dreamers btw.