WelcometoReality

Meditation is a good way to ground yourself into being. I did not meditate after the realization but I can see that it might have sped up the dissolving. I did do other activities that grounded me like walking in the forest. I'd advice you to not push yourself into meditating if you don't feel like it. Do the things you enjoy and meditation will come naturally with it. ?

@softlyblossoming You seek until you find and when you find the seeking energy starts to dissolve.

Either that has been realized or it hasn't. Telling someone that they're are God can make some very dangerous egos.

@Mips Ultimately solipsism and enlightenment are different things. Solipsism is the belief that all you experience is your senses and you can't know whether anyone else exists or not so you are alone. Enlightenment is the realization that there is no separate self, no you that is having experiences. Reality wakes up through you. With it comes peace and non-existence.

Usually the reason that it takes a long time is because one resists it happening so it never completely diminishes which prolongs this state. So my advice is look for ways you're resisting. Also look for the small things in which it wants to move. Life is like a dance and is done one step after another.

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It depends on where you awaken on the continnum. Most of the time there's still autonomy and identity left but at a certain point at the continuum there is no sense of doership or identity. Yeah you could say that but the self that is coming from identification to thought and feeling is illusiory. It's not that which is expanding because it's seen to be false. Identification is the limiting factor, when there's no identification the are no longer any boundries.

@Matys If you have no genuine drive to do anything then don't. Forcing yourself is not the answer. Usually when the drive to do diminishes it's because the spiritual work is working. This can be confusing and hard emotionally but the best thing is to keep that drive continue to fall away until it's completely diminished.

Most people aren't aware of that. They believe that they are a separate self in a fearful world and their actions are a reflection of that.

Identity is formed through feeling and thought or the surpression of them. It can also be very subtle. I'd say any form of rigidity is identification.

You keep thinking that but is that thought true? You question the thought. If that thought arises don't give it attention. Instead do something else. I for example had thoughts about there being something wrong with me. The realization that it wasn't true made me question the thought and it was a major step out of depression.

Yes, just as the eye can't turn around and see itself you can't turn around to experience yourself. It's one thing to make that conclusion and realizing it though. Realizing it is not an experience but a non-experience so what can actually be said about it.

That seems like a deep realization. What implications does this realization have to conflict between you and others?

If someone can't stop thinking then how are they making the thoughts? If someone was making the thoughts then wouldn't that imply that someone also could stop making the thoughts? How are they responsible?

Lisa Cairns

The mind produces a thought "8". If the source produces the thought then the source should be able to stop thinking. I have in previous threads of yours suggested that you should try to stop thinking have you tried that?

@aetheroar I like what I read. But how do you know that it is the whole path? ?

@King Merk Yeah you could see it that way. The dream ego can only exist in the dream. And when you wake up from the dream it stops existing. The same is true when you go to sleep. The "real" ego stops existing and dream ego starts existing.

@Hen Zuhe Thx for sharing. Kinesiology is a highly polarized topic that's for sure.

@WokeBloke Yeah that's a very good point to make. I agree in that there is no final destination. "Enlightenment" is an arbitrary point on the continuum in which you have placed the "Enlightenment" flag. At a certain point it makes sense to let go of this and continue evolving.

@ZenSwift Here's Adyashanti describing the difference between awakening and enlightenment.

So awareness is aware is something that is directly verifyable in your experience. And "it doesn't know that it is creating the experience" is based on a belief you hold that it should be aware that it's creating the experience. Isn't it so?

@Fandango Yeah enjoy life whether you want truth or not. ?

@kray Highest realization would be the shift to the absolute. The embodiment of that realization never ends.

The mind generates thoughts. Is there something that controls thought? If there is then it should be easy to stop thinking. If you would be throwing a pebble into water there would be ripples on the surface of the water but there would be no rippler would it? The same is true for thoughts. They appear from the conditioned mind. A reaction of other stimuli. "I do not think these thoughts" is a thought as is "I do think these thoughts". The source of thought is the mind. Which is referring to itself using the word "I". You are not the mind. The thoughts are generated from previous conditioning. So believing that you are responsible for these thoughts would be as absurd as being responsible for the family you're born into. You do have the option to believe or not believe the thoughts that are generated which there are many tools to help you with disidentifying from them.